Wizard recoil slipping

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ryanjames170
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Wizard recoil slipping

Postby ryanjames170 » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:19 pm

I just put new pawls in the recoil and it still slips when it hits compression.. do you guys have any suggestions to what I could do next to get the recoil to work on my WF4
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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby BillW » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:45 am

When you say, "slipping," please describe that a little more. Is it a smooth slip or a very grinding, rough slip?
Never had a WF4 but if it is a Magna Pull recoil, like a KD4S or KF5 Mercury, make sure the grease on the flat plate where the magnetic pawls travel is free of heavy or dried up grease. Just a little 105 or oil works. These recoils use actual magnets to create the moderate friction required for the pawls to move in and out. It doesn't take much to mess that up. To check its basic operation off of the motor, you can place a good size socket in where the pawls go in and out, to pull the recoil out without the pawls over extending and locking the mechanism. And make sure to check a parts diagram to make sure you don't have washers where the shouldn't be, shimming up the fuel tank too high, making the recoil ALSO too high. Make sure also, that the motor hasn't been dropped or otherwise mishandled, bending or breaking the brackets that hold the fuel tank to the power head.This would allow the recoil pawls to ride up and over the teeth of the flywheel nut/ratchet.

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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby jpatti75 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:29 am

BillW wrote:Just a little 105 or oil works.


Let me echo Bill on using "just a little" lube on the plate. If you over lubricate that plate, the pawls will not engage the ratchet nut properly (or at all). Had this happen with my Mark 20 years ago, and I cleaned off the grease the grease and applied a very light layer and it worked great after that.

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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby ryanjames170 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:18 am

By slipping I mean when it hits compression you can hear and feel the pawls slipping on the starter cup and then once they slip sometimes they recatch and do the same darn thing.. I might try and clean all ois aND greace away and then true up the cup as its a bit chewed up but I dont think it's that bad..
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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby Dave Bernard » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:25 am

got pics? I think you have the mark 25 type rewind.

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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby ryanjames170 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:48 am

I can put some up tonight or on my lunch break, but it uses the same pawls as on a merc 200
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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby Dave Bernard » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:16 pm

I should have the cage if you need.

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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby ryanjames170 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:03 pm

Dave would you be willing to send me a picture of the cage u got. As it might tell me if mine is bad or not. For all I know mine is chewed up bad. I don't quite got a frame for reference.
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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby Garry in Tampa » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:32 pm

No help from the service manual . . . :?

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Re: Wizard recoil slipping

Postby Dave Bernard » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:28 pm

will do latter tonight.


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