E15....coming

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outbdnut2
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Re: E15....coming

Postby outbdnut2 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:20 pm

Randy in Tampa wrote: be better off making white lightning or corn whiskey to fuel hillbillies ;)



Agreed! Ethanol should be drank, not burned!

At the distilleries, ethanol is mixed with 5% gasoline before it leaves in trucks or by rail for distributors that then add more gas to it for the % needed at the pump. This is done so nobody hijacks a truckload for drinkin'. Gettin' that gas to the distilleries is another cost adder.

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Jerry Ahrens
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Re: E15....coming

Postby Jerry Ahrens » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:49 am

I worry about the day when they outlaw ethanol free fuel. I have three service boats that I operate for my marine repair business. All three are old, and all are carbureted. I have had a few times, while stopping to refuel (on the way to a job) that the station was out of ethanol free gas. No worries, I'll just run ethanol this time... what I found on my 165 Mercruiser inline 6 cylinder was this.. During winterization season here on the lake, we go by boat to various locations to prepare boats for winter storage. I usually pull in to the dock, shut off the engine, and the service boat sits for about 30-45 mins. while I work. I noticed with ethanol, the old 165 6 cylinder would fire right up when I hit the key to leave, then die. One more restart and it was fine. Fuel mileage seemed to be down a little, but not to bad. Now on the next trip, I refilled with ethanol free fuel. The engine would restart immediately, with no die outs. Fuel economy was back up too. The engine ran great, and I could tell the difference. Now I've owned this boat since 2004, and have burned a ton of gas through it. I've tried ethanol gas several times with the same results. I've seen so many other problems with this stuff that I've grown to hate it. However, it does bring a lot of work in for boat shops. I don't like the high price at the pumps though, but I just bite the bullet and go with it. This is just my 2 cents on this subject, working on engines full time for a living.
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crosbyman
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Re: E15....coming

Postby crosbyman » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:26 am

would e10 explain why some rope start ad cd qd fd etc.… seem finicky sometimes.

this will me my next test next summer…. only high octane no ethanol in the oldies

that is all we have here NO ETHANOL = HIGH OCTONANE

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Re: E15....coming

Postby outbdnut2 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:55 pm

Ethanol in the gas also presents a storage problem. See below from a collector car magazine. I helped two neighbors clean phase-serarated gas out of their inboard/outboard tanks after sitting all winter:

If you use stabilizer, make sure the label says it stabilizes ethanol - not all of it does.

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Re: E15....coming

Postby crosbyman » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:53 pm

I always store oldies drained out and… my 75 ETEC fully fueled high octane (no ethanol) and pre-run on 2+4 BRP to stabilize the fuel


13 winters later at -20... -30 C … no issues perfect starts on a dime with the ETEC

old stabilized fuels from oldies are burnt in the cheapo lawn mower only…………….. the subsequent Spring

no issues with the lawn mower either :-)

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Re: E15....coming

Postby amuller » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:55 pm

E15 is here in Minnesota. It costs about 20 cents/gal less than the usual 20 proof stuff.

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Re: E15....coming

Postby amuller » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:03 pm

Interesting. I would not have thought that the water would phase out from the ethanol, as they are supposed to be miscible. I need to find a graduated cylinder and experiment.

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Tubs
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Re: E15....coming

Postby Tubs » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:40 am

There is alcohol in most all the fuel around me. It
started to appear in the late 70's. At first it was METB.
A form of methanol. Many of the negative claims about
ethanol actually were a result of using METB and was
part of the reason there was a switch to ethanol.
I just wonder how many who would never use an alcohol
blended fuel because of the fear it could do some damage
to a motor don't have any problem at all drinking the stuff.
I've never heard any concern about the pollution from
distilling grain to produce alcohol to drink. The type of
corn used to make alcohol for gasoline is not for human
consumption. Its effect on the cost of food would be
related to it being a food source for the animals that
are raised for food. There is no lack of this stuff. Because
of the recent potential loss of markets its value has dropped
below what it cost to produce it. The fruits, grains, and
vegetables that are used to produce beer, wine, and hard
liquor are foods that humans can and do eat. Never heard
any concern about how this effects the cost or availability
of food or any effects on the environment when it comes
to alcohol being manufactured to drink from these food
sources. Sometimes you have make a little effort to see if
a statement is valid. Other times its right there before your
eyes. Lets take 18 oz. of water to 6000 gal. of E-10.
Why 18 oz. to 6000 gal.? Why not 3oz. to 1000 gal.?
Why not 1oz. to 333.33 gal. Because that works out to
1/333 of an oz. of water to 1 gal of E-10. Really?
I'm guessing that's about the size of 1 dew drop on a car
windshield in the morning. But it doesn't really mater. The
actual problem is that conditions exist where water can get
into the fuel. Whether or not there is alcohol in the fuel is
irrelevant. You don't want water getting into your fuel.
Like
amuller, it made more sense for me to spend some time
learning what is fact and what is fiction. Its hear to stay. Its
just a waste of time searching out reasons to just complain
about it. It would be more helpful to inform people who
don't know how water enters a fuel container the steps you
can take to avoid it. Alcohol blended fuel is all I have been
using in all the stuff I have going on 2 decades now.
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zul8tr
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Re: E15....coming

Postby zul8tr » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:06 pm

I am not a fan of E fuel or the subsidies to grow non edible corn. Lucky here in Florida and where I live in Orlando many stations carry at their discretion E free fuel thanks to governor Scott. So my race outboards and lawn equipment use it. I do use E10 in our cars: a 1992 Nissan 300zx and a 1998 Infiniti I30 with no problems, but E10 caused corrosion in the 300zx injectors and had to replace them with Nissan upgraded design, the 98 had the improved injectors with no issues.

But there are some that really like the high alcohol E fuel. Ex: They are using E85 in their Nissan 300zx twin turbo cars (1990 - 1996) for more Hp once they computer/dino tune for the E85 with replaced high flow (about x2 more fuel) fuel injectors and a number of other changes. Alcohol cools the charge and tends to hold back detonation is a plus. And because about 2X more fuel/second is injected compared to gasoline in the engine it results in greater power. On E85 these Nissan guys are pulling at the rear wheels a huge 800hp and about 750 ft/lbs torque starting with a stock 300hp base engine :shock:

But they get terrible gas mileage but do not care, performance is king :D
Keep Movin' - Life is catching up :o

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Re: E15....coming

Postby sjohnson » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:44 am

There are a lot of vehicles on the road that Burn E15 just fine.


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