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    Charles Myers
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      I have a 1956 wooden boat. Its transom handles fine the 125 pound weight of my 1956 Evinrude Lark 30 hp. Given the motor’s age though, it occurs to me from time to time to replace it. But a 30 hp motor these days would weigh about 250 pounds, which I worry would be a risk for my transom. At a store selling Evinrude supplies recently, I had a conversation with the proprietor about that issue. He said to get a 25 hp Yamaha and then said it probably would provide as much thrust as my old Evinrude. Can anyone comment on that? Is there a reference somewhere to compare the thrust for my Evinrude vs other motors as well as their weights?  (I believe a 25 hp Yamaha with my shaft length would weigh about 146 pounds.)

      #280942
      phil
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        Remember, this group is dedicated to the preservation of old outboards!

        An old engine rated for 30hp at the crank might deliver 24 to the prop.

        You didn’t say how much you use the boat, and what condition you keep it in.  I ended up here because I bought a vintage boat, and vintage power was a no-brainer in terms of price, and keeping the boat period correct.   But I spend more time tinkering with the boat than running it.  If I used it every day, I might feel worse about what the engine spews (and/or the cost of biodegradable oil).

        Parts are available, and your old engine is a testament to a time when things were built to last, and OMC made engines that ordinary folks can work on with ordinary tools.

        http://www.omc-boats.org
        http://www.aerocraft-boats.org

        #280958
        fleetwin
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          I truly doubt that the 4stroke yamaha develops thrust equal to the old Evinrude.  But, am guessing that your wood boat has no problems planing off so I’m sure the Yamaha would work just fine on it.    I don’t know what condition your Evinrude is in, so won’t recommend either fixing or replacing it.    But, I’m guessing the new Yamaha is might pricey, especially once the steering and controls are updated.

          I hesistate recommending spending big bucks on a new engine unless you have your boat inspected.   No sense putting a pricey new engine on a weak transom.

          #280963
          Charles Myers
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            Thank you.  The Boat is a 16 ft1956  runabout built by Dixie Boat Works in Newton NC.  All its life, the boat and its 1956 motor were garage kept except for the few times each summer when the family trailered it to Claytor Lake VA for a day trip or at the most a two day trip.  The motor always ran in fresh water.  After a lengthy stay in my sister’s garage after my Dad got too old to manage the boat and while I was busy at college and marriage at a remote location,  I  have revived the boat and motor.  I took the very clean motor off and took it to a professional shop to be checked out.  A mechanical fuel pump was added and a single fuel hose was substituted in place of the old double hose. The carburetor was removed and cleaned.  All fuel hoses on the motor were replaced.  The impeller was replaced, and the lower unit was filled with 90 weight gear lube.  The metal Evinrude 6 gallon tank is very clean, and a new  primer bulb and a transparent fuel filter were added to the fuel line.  Last summer my 39 year old son and I took the boat to Lake Chesdin VA three times (one day trips).  This summer, we took it to the lake two times.

            So …… short summary: A very clean, well-maintained, and never abused motor.  The only issue is that it does not push the boat as fast as in years past.  Hence my thoughts about possibly replacing the motor, although I would much prefer to preserve the matching 1956 boat and motor if possible.  The professional shop said the upper compression is 110 and the lower is 120.

            I continue to tinker with the motor to get the synchronization correct and would like to inspect, remove, and test the 2 coils, but have not succeeded yet in removing the flywheel.  The points are very clean and set at 0.020.

            #280988
            fleetwin
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              US Member - 2 Years

              I would keep the Evinrude, you have already invested in most needed service repairs.  Many shops, though well meaning, are not very familiar with these older outboards, so may not have set it up correctly.  Did you replace the propeller lately, perhaps you have the wrong pitch prop…  I really don’t think the four stroke will out perform the original Evinrude.

              #280990
              joecb
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                It sounds to me that you have a family treasure, and a young fellow that appreciates it going into the next generation. Keep it as is, do simple maintenance and it will be around for another generation.

                Joe B

                PS, looks like you found the right organization … be sure to hook up with a local AOMCI chapter, lots of help , parts and admiration there.

                PPS, how about some pictures?

                #280992
                bobw
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                  I’m with everyone else here and think you should keep the ’56 Evinrude.    As you noted, it sounds like it has been well maintained and never abused, compression is still good and it’s likely this motor will still provide good service for many years to come.   You’ve already had most of the basic services done, but as you noted, the coils should be examined and tested.   If they are the original coils, it would be worthwhile to just install new ones.   You didn’t say if the service shop had done it, but I would also replace the plug wires and spark plugs if not already done.

                  Bob

                  1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                  1954 Johnson CD-11
                  1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                  1958 Johnson QD-19
                  1958 Johnson FD-12
                  1959 Johnson QD-20

                  “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                  "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

                  #280997
                  outbdnut2
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                    I don’t have thrust numbers, etc, but your 30 HP, being a 2-stroke with fairly large cylinders, will likely provide noticably more low end torque for getting planed off and pulling up skiers than a new 4-stroke, as with 4-stroke engines only firing on every other piston stroke, they don’t have the oooomph on the low end. A new Yamaha 25 4-stroke with it’s HP rated at the prop, with the correct propeller, should give you about the same top speed, and will use a lot less fuel. In recent years, Yamaha has redesigned their 25 HP 4-stroke and reduced the weight. Other brands tend to be heavier because they go to 3 cylinders to get 25 HP or more. The 146 pound weight is not that much heavier than your long shaft 30 HP . Short shaft 30 HP is 113 pounds, so long shaft is about 120 pounds. I have a few 30-35 HP motors from the 1950s, and on my pontoon, have a 25 Yamaha 4-stroke (my wife wanted the quietness of a 4-stroke there after riding a neighbor’s 4-stroke pontoon), so I’m familiar with both motors. My personal preference would be to stay with your Lark, unless it’s a heavily used boat where quiet, reliability, and low fuel consumption are a high priority. If you pull a lot of skiers and tubers, the Evinrude will be better….but going to a lower pitch prop with the Yamaha, and/or dropping the trim pin down will make it easier to pull up skiers, but these items will give you a bit less top speed. With the Yamaha you will need adapter hardware to use cable and pulley steering, and I don’t know what all that involves; otherwise, you will have to get a new steering wheel with today’s single cable steering setup. The Yamaha will have an alternator, which is a plus if you don’t have the generator kit on your Lark.
                    Dave

                    #281011
                    jeff-register
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                      I agree with everyone, keep it maintained & it  will perform great for you. I would reseal & flush the gearcase checking for sand in the gearcase water passages this winter. I would bet  it’s time for new seals & impeller. Use good oil made for marine use also. Those compression numbers are perfect!!

                      Keep the fuel system very clean.

                      #281038
                      Charles Myers
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                        Thanks to everyone who has commented and especially for encouraging me to hang onto the 1956 Evinrude Lark 30 hp.  A photo of the boat with the motor is attached.  I will search for a local service pro who knows this motor as a step toward evaluating its speed/ synchronization/ etc.

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