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    John Gragg
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      I’m waiting for better weather to fire up my TD20 again, on the long road toward my restoration.

      During my teardown/rebuild I resealed the gear case, sans the drive shaft seal which looked okay (and I couldn’t figure out how to get it out of that deep hole it’s in, LOL). I don’t think that has anything to do with my issue, but I point it out for information.

      While my motor sits in the garage, flat-stored with rear of motor pointing up (prop up), waiting for me to build it’s own dedicated stand, I see that it is leaking the gear oil I have in it. I know there are many ideas of what to use in this unit, so for the short time I barrel tested it a month or so ago, I just used 90wt Mercury Gear Lube.

      I have a spare gear case and I see that the cavity for the grease/gear lube/gear oil is not sealed from the flange where the unit mates with the middle housing. In other words, a flat-stored motor will leak when put in this position? (The gasket called for at this flange is really a 3/4 gasket and is open on the side facing the floor, by design). I looked it up and found information that says the open seam is to allow exhaust gases to escape the housing?

      Anyway, is this normal? I do plan to purchase and use corn head grease in the future, but for now is this lower supposed to be leaking?

      Thanks in advance!

      Best Regards,

       

      John Gragg
      RIverside, CA

      Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

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      #283208
      aquasonic
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        John, this motor is a little different from the later motors in the mid to late 1950’s. That gasket between the gearcase and the mid-section is critical to seal in the gear oil. Yes, it is open in the back for venting purposes, but the closed front area separates the gear oil from the surrounding water. The gear oil vent screw is above the mating surface of the gasket, so gear oil is present above this gasket also.

        It sounds like what you most likely need is a NOS gasket for the gearcase/mid-section mating surface. If I remember correctly, the seal area is separated from the gear oil, so this is why I think it’s most likely the gasket.

        I made one of these gaskets once from fiber-rubber gasket material, and it failed when the vapor pressure peaked on a hot summer day. Maybe cork sheeting would work, but the original NOS gaskets definitely work.

        Regarding the gear oil, 90W is preferred, but John Deere corn head grease or Lubriplate is ok. This has modern seals, so that’s why gear oil is recommended.

        If you end up replacing the gasket, Permatex Ultra Black is hard to beat for a sealant for this application.

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        John Gragg
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          John, this motor is a little different from the later motors in the mid to late 1950’s. That gasket between the gearcase and the mid-section is critical to seal in the gear oil. Yes, it is open in the back for venting purposes, but the closed front area separates the gear oil from the surrounding water. The gear oil vent screw is above the mating surface of the gasket, so gear oil is present above this gasket also.

          It sounds like what you most likely need is a NOS gasket for the gearcase/mid-section mating surface. If I remember correctly, the seal area is separated from the gear oil, so this is why I think it’s most likely the gasket.

          I made one of these gaskets once from fiber-rubber gasket material, and it failed when the vapor pressure peaked on a hot summer day. Maybe cork sheeting would work, but the original NOS gaskets definitely work.

          Regarding the gear oil, 90W is preferred, but John Deere corn head grease or Lubriplate is ok. This has modern seals, so that’s why gear oil is recommended.

          If you end up replacing the gasket, Permatex Ultra Black is hard to beat for a sealant for this application.

          Thanks but can you take a look at the parts picture I attached? Am I incorrect in observing that the gasket is installed with the open side to the front (not the back, or prop side) of the motor?

          The gasket in there now is a brand new, NOS gasket. I used permatex along the gasket surface, but not the area where a gasket is not involved.

          It is my understanding that these parts diagrams use proper orientation (front, back, left, right) with respect to other parts in the drawing?

          Lastly, I just thought of this… Regardless if the gasket points fore or aft, what prevents water from flooding the gearcase?

          Thanks again.  I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

          Best Regards

          John Gragg
          RIverside, CA

          Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

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          #283213
          John Gragg
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            My Own questions got me thinking. I went back out to the garage and took another look at the spare gear case I have. I also grabbed a spare gasket I have and took a good long look. I figured it out. The gasket protects the oil side of the gear case. Not the water side so the picture that I assumed showed the gasket in the correct orientation is wrong.. If I reverse the gasket, the oil passage is completely sealed and the water side is open for exhaust gases to leave. I feel like such a dummy but once again I thought the Drawings were orientation correct. Thanks for the assist. I’m glad I asked because it actually helped me figure it out for myself.

            Yes I have used ultra black. Good stuff!

            Best Regards

            John Gragg
            RIverside, CA

            Just starting in the hobby, please be patient.

            48 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
            49 Sea King 5hp GG9014A
            48 Johnson TD20
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            54 Johnson QD15
            55 Johnson CD12

            #283215
            aquasonic
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              Yes, the diagram shows the gearcase gasket in the reverse orientation, but now you understand.

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