18HP saga continues. Can’t get past 14mph and 3,900 RPM.

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    stephenspann27

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    #66173

    Looks like the bearings have always been caged.

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    phil-b

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    #66174
    quote stephenspann27:

    21mph!! 5,050 RPM. 21mph was my top speed, I’m running 19mph most consistently at 4,950RPM

    congrats! What do you credit for the improvement?

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    stephenspann27

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    #66176
    quote Phil B:

    quote stephenspann27:

    21mph!! 5,050 RPM. 21mph was my top speed, I’m running 19mph most consistently at 4,950RPM

    congrats! What do you credit for the improvement?

    The fixed jet style carb was running too rich. I swapped in a bowl with the adjustable high speed circuit and tuned it on the water. It’s now faster, uses far less fuel and doesn’t have tons of unburned oil dripping all over the place.

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    billw
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    #66177

    Now I bet if you go up an inch of pitch, you will see a slight improvement in speed and get the RPM back down a bit. Also, the speed improvement is great news; but with great power comes great responsibility….Don’t run it so lean as to burn it up. Find the sweet spot in the adjustment, half way between where it looses RPM from being too lean and looses RPM from being too rich. If anything, favor on the rich side. Now that you have the engine right where you want it, make sure it will last!

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    fleetwin
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    #66179

    Cool, glad you have found success finally. Try the next size up in pitch and see how that performs….

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    stephenspann27

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    #66190
    quote BillW:

    Now I bet if you go up an inch of pitch, you will see a slight improvement in speed and get the RPM back down a bit. Also, the speed improvement is great news; but with great power comes great responsibility….Don’t run it so lean as to burn it up. Find the sweet spot in the adjustment, half way between where it looses RPM from being too lean and looses RPM from being too rich. If anything, favor on the rich side. Now that you have the engine right where you want it, make sure it will last!

    Agreed on the running too lean risk. Where I have it set right now, if I got even an 1/8th turn an either direction I loose 200 RPM. I’ll probably fiddle with it everytime I run the motor, because of weather changes etc. I had dialed it in with the cowl off. I put the cowl back on and it was out of wack again because of there being less airflow. Pretty finicky

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    mikesea7

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    #66194

    Very happy for you. It was FAT OK great lesson to be learned here today.

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    rjoynt
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    #66196

    Stephen, what phone app are you using?

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    stephenspann27

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    #66200
    quote rjoynt:

    Stephen, what phone app are you using?

    It’s called "speedometer" on the appstore.

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    stephenspann27

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    #66257

    I went ahead and ordered that bowl/needle kit off ebay. I’m going to put another carb together to test. I have a lean miss around 1,600RPM I’d like to get rid of. I think it’s when the carb is switching from the low speed circuit to the high speed circuit. I can fatten up the low speed mixture a bunch and almost get rid of it, but it makes the carb load up at idle. It could be something with the powerhead, because my last powerhead didn’t have that dead spot. Could be an air leak or something. I’m definitely happy with the motor as is, just want to try to perfect it. I watched a bunch of 18hp videos on youtube and I saw a few motors that seemed to have the same sort of stumble. You can drop down 200 RPM, or go up 200RPM and it will run perfect.

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    billw
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    I would take a close look at the throttle cam follower adjustment. Your carb throttle plate might be opening a bit too soon in relation to timing advance. 18s like to wear out the cam follower roller. This makes it so sometimes it’s adjusted right and other times, it’s not, based on the random clock position of the follower roller. Also take into account the wear in the linkage. The throttle plate itself should JUST be about to open when the roller lines up with the mark on the mag’s throttle cam.

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    david-bartlett

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    #66264
    quote BillW:

    I would take a close look at the throttle cam follower adjustment. Your carb throttle plate might be opening a bit too soon in relation to timing advance. 18s like to wear out the cam follower roller. This makes it so sometimes it’s adjusted right and other times, it’s not, based on the random clock position of the follower roller. Also take into account the wear in the linkage. The throttle plate itself should JUST be about to open when the roller lines up with the mark on the mag’s throttle cam.

    Bill makes an excellent point here. I have also had cam followers that were bent slightly and would not allow the throttle plate to fully open, even with the cam adjusted out. Where you have had multiple powerheads swapped around, you may have run into this as well. Worth looking into.

    You are learning a lot about these 22 cube motors. I had a 1959 Fastwin that was the best running motor I ever had. The fiberglass cowl rattled a bit at slow speed, but that motor ran the best of many. The separate Hi and Low speed adjustment is miles ahead of a fixed jet motor.


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    stephenspann27

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    #66271
    quote david bartlett:

    quote BillW:

    I would take a close look at the throttle cam follower adjustment. Your carb throttle plate might be opening a bit too soon in relation to timing advance. 18s like to wear out the cam follower roller. This makes it so sometimes it’s adjusted right and other times, it’s not, based on the random clock position of the follower roller. Also take into account the wear in the linkage. The throttle plate itself should JUST be about to open when the roller lines up with the mark on the mag’s throttle cam.

    Bill makes an excellent point here. I have also had cam followers that were bent slightly and would not allow the throttle plate to fully open, even with the cam adjusted out. Where you have had multiple powerheads swapped around, you may have run into this as well. Worth looking into.

    You are learning a lot about these 22 cube motors. I had a 1959 Fastwin that was the best running motor I ever had. The fiberglass cowl rattled a bit at slow speed, but that motor ran the best of many. The separate Hi and Low speed adjustment is miles ahead of a fixed jet motor.

    The actual roller is a lot less worn than the one I had on the old powerhead. There is a little bit of wear where these two components lock together.

    I’ll double check the "link and sync" positions.

    About the rattle. I’ve been fighting a few too. The loudest one I discovered was actually coming from the boat. The motor was sending harmonics through the hull. I had moved the motor up a little higher on the transom so that the clamp wasn’t resting on the top of the transom and the sound went away. I plan to put some "stall mat" rubber on the top of the transom to isolate the noise. I’m also thinking about putting herculiner on the underside of the cowl, and maybe some other kind of sound deadening. Does anyone know how the air is supposed to enter the cowl for the intake to use? I know there are small drain holes in the pan.. not sure if that’s all the motor needs?

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    garry-in-tampa
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    #66283

    Do you have a 18203 model ? ? ?

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    billw
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    #66292

    I thought there was a pretty good size air intake hole right under the carb, just above the shift cable attachment bracket…?

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