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  • #3415
    Buccaneer
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      The end on this brass water pump piston is rather worn.
      Perhaps this was one reason a prior owner added an
      intake scoop (facing forward) to try to get the motor
      cooling better.
      Were these pistons / plungers originally "flat" on the end?
      It appears that it would have worn a hole in the end
      had the engine not plugged up with carbon eons ago,
      and laid to rest.
      What would be a good repair for the plunger?
      Would it work to machine the end flat and silver solder
      a nickle on?
      Thanks for any ideers.


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      #30228
      kevinf
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        I remember reading on the pre-crash boards that the old lads soldered a copper penny on the plunger end when it wore through but I’ve never seen or tried the repair. I think you would want a fairly soft metal to slow wear on the eccentric.

        As an aside the last few years our one cent coin was actually copper plated steel and would rust when it was exposed to salt. They gave up on a one cent piece altogether so we may have to import those too for water pump repair 🙂

        Kev

        #30230
        Anonymous

          Its a simple inverted piston, make a new one, use some solid brass round stock, drill the centre out

          What is the overall length of the piston? Diameter? I can probably carve one out in 10 minutes….

          Wear like that indicates either lack of lube in lower unit, or mega-hours of service….

          More common issue with those pumps is sticky check valves, but that’s easy to fix too

          Best,
          T2

          #30234
          Anonymous

            I believe that J-80 uses the same plunger and drive shaft gear/cam as the A, A-25, J-25 and J-65. If so I may have the parts you need. I think that sometimes water got into the gearcases causing that cam to rust which in turn chewed up the brass plungers. I have some that were so badly chewed up that they totally went through the botom of the plungers. I had some plungers made a few years ago. If you are interested I would send you a photo of the parts I have. If they look like what you could use, I’ll sell you both for $20 including mailing.

            #30239
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              Kevin, perhaps that’s where I got the idea of the "nickel"
              repair, from the old board. There’s a coin dealer in town
              so I could buy an old penny with real copper!

              T2, I have a lathe, so could make a plunger if necessary.
              Would take me longer than 10 minutes though. The
              shell is pretty thin, perhaps .020 to .030. Could make
              it thicker perhaps if the plunger spring would fit inside.
              Thanks for the idea.

              ccmullett, I sent you a PM.
              Thanks.

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              #30248
              Anonymous

                I guess if you have a lathe, I don’t really understand why you’re asking the question. Make a new piston, and move on.

                Best,
                Chris S

                #30251
                Anonymous

                  Buccaneer, I am having a problem with the private message board. My email is ccmullett@gmail.com

                  #30262
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                    ccmullett, email sent. Thanks.

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                    #30271
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                      Played with the plunger today for something to do.
                      Don’t think I could have made one on the lathe.
                      The walls of the plunger are only about .020.
                      Don’t think I could bore something that long
                      and thin. But I did use the lathe to cut off the
                      worn end of the plunger and then make an insert
                      to fit in the tube. Thanks for that idea!

                      The gear teeth repair may be a little harder.
                      CCMullet’s parts are not the same as mine.
                      Anyone aboard successfully welded and re-ground
                      gear teeth?

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