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    Hello, my name is Brad (first post) and I am restoring my Grandfathers 1948 TD – 20.  This motor always ran great with very little trouble it’s just a little beat up. To me it’s very nostalgic. It hasn’t been started in about 15yrs.

    My question has to do with the film of oil covering almost every part of the motor even under the gas tank and  down the lower unit. Did this oil come from a gas leak? Gas evaporating and leaving this film of oil?

    I suppose it’s possible that when filling the tank some gas spilled onto the motor, which would explain why oil covers the outside bottom of the gas tank, but I’m not sure.

    Any thoughts.

    Thanks!

     

    #285710
    Buccaneer
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      A lot of the mess on these old motors come from around the top crankshaft bushing.
      The don’t have seals, but rather “slingers” that try to keep the excess oil under
      the slinger while it tries to drain down a port back to the crankcase.
      Drain ports can become plugged, etc., but there’s always going to be some mess.
      When you pull the flywheel to go through the ignition, you probably see “more” mess.

      Prepare to be boarded!

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      #285743
      aquasonic
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        A few things come to mind that would cause the oily residue. The person filling the tank was not very neat, and there was fuel spilled around the filler cap that drained down to the bottom of the tank. There could be a leaking cap gasket. Then there could be a leak in the fuel supply system from the threaded hole in the bottom of the tank to the carburetor. If it was leaking at the tank connection, then that fuel can end up in the tank mounting ring.

        These motors have a primer instead of a choke. The primer sprays a small amount of fuel mix out of the rotary valve port which ends up on the inside of the lower cowl. Not the most environmentally sensitive design, but bear in mind this design was from the late 1930’s.

        Here is a very helpful site for “T” series motors: Fuel Tank and Fuel Tank Valve Cl (pochefamily.org)

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        #285752
        joecb
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          That oily mess, likely helped preserve grandpa’s motor… not a bad thing.  Do not use harsh alkaline cleaner , a little WD40 or mineral spirits on a rag will do the job… extra care around decals, please.

          Joe B

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          #285771

          I’ll have to check that out. I do have the tenth edition red book.

          Thanks for the reply.

          #285772

          Thanks for the link, I’ll check that out. So….from what I’m hearing these motors were not the cleanest. The last time I ran this motor in a tank, I was surprised at the amount of oil that was left in the tank water. I suppose the best thing, not to do, is over prime the carb and becarefull when putting gas in it. I also noticed that the washer under the gas cap is hard as a rock.

          #285785
          frankr
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            Fact is those motors were far from “clean”.  But they sure ran well

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            #285798
            crosbyman
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              theyare all dirty in a tub….when the incoming load of fuel oil  pushes out the exhaust on the up stroke  both in and out ports are open  so fuel oil   bypasses the cyl  and ends up outside in the exaust….and the water in the tub.

              conclusion…. don’t worry about it 🙂   that is why  modern EFI engines consume much less fuel   since  all the fuel   is burnt up  before leaving the cylinders .  oil is mostly used  outside the cylinders  being routed (pumped)  directly  in the crankcase  for lubrification. my 75 ETEC burn .6l/hr trolling !  next to nothing compared to  my 9.5hp  from the 60s

              Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

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              aquasonic
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                Thanks for the link, I’ll check that out. So….from what I’m hearing these motors were not the cleanest. The last time I ran this motor in a tank, I was surprised at the amount of oil that was left in the tank water. I suppose the best thing, not to do, is over prime the carb and becarefull when putting gas in it. I also noticed that the washer under the gas cap is hard as a rock.

                For the gas cap washer replacement, a water meter washer from a good plumbing supply is a very good solution. Years ago, I bought about ten or so and every now and then I need one for a TD, JW, or Lightwin.

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