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  • #254509
    Buccaneer
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      When I pulled the driveshaft out of two different Johnson TN-28’s,
      I did not find a spring for the carbon seal assembly.
      A carbon seal, and a thin washer dropped out of both motors though,
      after I had the driveshafts pulled out of the motor. You’d think
      if there was no springs that the said carbon seal and washer would have
      come out with the driveshaft, not fall out after the shaft was removed.

      In looking at the Johnson bulletin, it appears the carbon seal is a
      “cup” affair, the the spring seats inside. Both of the carbon seals
      I found did not have a recess for a spring, but both had an o-ring on them.

      Am I missing more than the spring for each motor?

      Does anyone have measurements of an actual TN-28 spring?
      I found a spring in my parts bin, but it does not appear it was for
      this use.

      Does anyone have a parts diagram for the TN-28? I have a pdf for
      the TN-25/26, but I’m not sure of all the differences…… I know the
      magnetos are different.

      Thanks.

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      #254515
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        In looking at my TN-25 / 25 parts manual, it looks like the parts
        that came out of my TN-28’s (less the missing spring) might
        be carbon seal assembly parts from a TN-25 or 26 motor.

        The diagram appears to show the “spring”, a “washer” atop of it,
        and the “carbon seal with o-ring” above the washer.

        The Johnson TN-27 / 28 Service bulletin parts and assembly
        look a lot different.

        My drive shaft appears to be the TN-28 style with the pressed on
        collar below the spring.

        Now What?

        TN26-Carbon-Seal-Assembly

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        #254603
        Buccaneer
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          Seeing how I’m missing the spring for the carbon seal assembly,
          I order a complete, used” assembly off of Ebay, from a latter
          Evinrude 7.5 hp, I believe. From what I read, those components
          should work on the TN-28, and are the same parts shown
          in the Johnson “upgrade” Service Bulletin…….. time will tell anyway.

          What I’m wondering now, is it possible to install the carbon seal
          components on the driveshaft, and slide the whole works up
          thru the mid section of the motor, or does one need to pull the power
          head, install the midsection with lower unit with driveshaft, and set the carbon seal
          assembly onto the top of the driveshaft?

          I could not find anything in the 3rd or 10th edition manuals to answer
          my questions.
          Thanks.

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          #254605
          crosbyman
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            ??  any chance the spring is still top side..inside  .. try flipping and ratting the power head ?

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            #254606
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              ??  any chance the spring is still top side..inside  .. try flipping and ratting the power head ?

              I looked up it’s hole with a flashlight, and I don’t see it hiding anywhere…….
              on either motor!

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              #254607
              bkrsdoz
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                I have tried to balance the carbon seal, washer and spring on the driveshaft, and insert it into the spline in the powerhead. It resulted in breaking the carbon seal after several tries. I then bought a kit with the seal, washer and spring included. I then found a base gasket, as the powerhead will have to be removed to assemble it correctly without breaking the seal.

                #254629
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                  Thanks Baker’s Dozen, Looking at the manual last night, I see the
                  powerhead comes off with only 5 bolts involved. Guess this will
                  be easier and safer in the long run, and I’ll have a new gasket.

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                  #254663
                  aquasonic
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                    If this is like a TD powerhead, there are actually two gaskets involved with removal of the powerhead. One sits horizontal with the three studs, and the other sits vertically.

                    Looking at your parts diagram, it does show both gaskets. PN 302355 & PN 41-36.

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                    #254669
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                      The TD sounds like the same powerhead. I took the TN powerhead off
                      today. Photos to follow when I wrap things up in the garage for today.

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                      #254671
                      oldlure
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                        I have a TN-28 parts catalog. Here is a copy of that page. Let me know if you need more.

                        TN-28

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