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  • #209686
    fleetwin
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      US Member - 2 Years

      That is not an OEM impeller regardless of references made by amazon…. Admittedly, I am a bit paranoid about this part only because of how important it is…. If the water pump does not work correctly, the engine will overheat and could get damaged internally. Aftermarket ignition and carburetor items are not big deal, if they fail, they will just have to be replaced, no engine damage will result. Replacing the impeller is kind of a pain also, the powerhead must be removed to disconnect the shift rod and remove the gearcase again.
      But, on the other hand, you will probably know pretty quickly when you start the engine, how the water pump is working, so powerhead damage is unlikely. It is up to you…Once you get the gearcase off and the water pump removed, you will have to inspect the aluminum impeller housing and SS impeller plate for wear also…..
      I found several carbs on ebay, mostly priced too high, except for this one:
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-Outboard-Engine-CARB-CARBURETOR-1956-OMC-5-5-HP/352940383362?hash=item522ce2dc82:g:L6MAAOSwtFteJRJu
      And, it is returnable also.
      We can post a classified ad here also, these carbs are fairly common…

      #209697
      seakaye12
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        That e-bay carburetor listing says “No Returns” in the descriptive text….even though the listing itself says “Free 30 Day Returns”.

        #209730
        Steve D
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          It would be good if the seller could take it apart and take a picture of the inside. Some of the ones I’ve seen like that often have some issues like the one you have. Can’t say for sure but that one on ebay looks like it came from a motor that was either poorly stored like on the dirt floor of a shed or barn for a long time, and fuel left in the bowl/carb, or from urine of a mouse that lived in the motor for a while. Never seen a salt water motor except for pictures, so I don’t know if it could be that either.

          #209733
          fleetwin
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            US Member - 2 Years

            I’m sure we can find a better carb from a member here for less money….
            Anyone have one they don’t need?

            #209745
            Bob Wight
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              It would be good if the seller could take it apart and take a picture of the inside. Some of the ones I’ve seen like that often have some issues like the one you have. Can’t say for sure but that one on ebay looks like it came from a motor that was either poorly stored like on the dirt floor of a shed or barn for a long time, and fuel left in the bowl/carb, or from urine of a mouse that lived in the motor for a while. Never seen a salt water motor except for pictures, so I don’t know if it could be that either.

              Steve D is correct – that carb was either laying in the dirt or it could be salt water etching. I see the listing is from Boynton Beach, Florida so it was at least exposed to salt air.

              Bob

              1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
              1954 Johnson CD-11
              1955 Johnson QD-16
              1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
              1958 Johnson QD-19
              1958 Johnson FD-12
              1959 Johnson QD-20

              “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
              "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

              #209750
              need2fish
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                I just finished going through a ’61 CD; carb done, new coils, new top end and lower end seals. I thought the L/U was taking in water through the driveshaft or propshaft so I bought the full rebuild kit.

                Warning: all propshaft rear shaft carriers have a seal that is a bear of a time to get it. I’ve done dozens of rebuilds over the years and replacing that is the worst part of the job.

                Long story short, it is very important to replace the large gasket in the impeller pump housing.I didn’t need the seal kit (at the moment). That’s where the water was getting into my L/U — the previous gasket was handmade of some water or fuel soluable material and had disintegrated, allowing water intrusion.

                #209768
                Harmattan1
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                  Well, I took out the screw to drain the lower unit and the first thing I saw come out was some clear water. Then the tan colored, light colored mix of water and gear fluid started slowly draining from the lower unit. Looks like the lower unit must have been taking in water through the seal(s). I will have to locate an OMC impeller and use that instead of the one I have. Looks like I have my work cut out for me at this point. I will keep an eye out for a carb. I did see the one in the link and it looks like there is pitting on the surfaces, not sure if that is exposure to salt water or not but it sure doesnt look too good. At this point, the internal condition seems to be more important. Maybe one of the guys here on the site might come up with one. I will keep looking.

                  #209769
                  Harmattan1
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                    Thanks for all the replies, this is my first posts on this site since i joined. Can use all the help I can get at this point. My first rebuild and starting at the top on down. I took the screw out of the bottom unit to drain the gear fluid and the first thing came out was some clear water and then the mix of water/gear fluid started running slow but sure. Definitely seal leaked at some point in the past.
                    Looks like the first order of business is to get hold of a replacement carb. If anyone knows of a good one, let me know and we can work something out. Thanks for all the help.

                    #209781
                    fleetwin
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                      US Member - 2 Years

                      OK, well sorry to hear there was water in the gearcase. Like N2F says, resealing that gearcase probably is the hardest part of the job. It is best to pressure test first to see where the actually leaks are occurring. Pull the prop off, perhaps there is fishline behind the prop getting caught in the seal. It is also important to check the washer seals for the drain screws. There is supposed to be one and only one washer/gasket behind each of the screws…Usually, on the older engines, these washer seals are stuck in the gear housing, but it is possible for the washer/seal to come out with the screws…. So, if someone inadvertently swaps the screws, one might have two washer/seals, while the other screw has none. Instant oil leak. It is also possible that someone has added an extra washer/seal where it was not needed which can create a leak also. Sometimes, if you are lucky, the cause of a gearcase leak can be this simple. Don’t get your hopes up, but it is possible.
                      OK, so your powerhead appears to be in decent compression, your compression numbers were normal.
                      Your gearcase has water in it, pretty common for an engine this old, most likely needs a complete seal job…More on that later….
                      So, it seems like your next step is to remove the powerhead so the gearcase can be removed…There are seven screws that hold the powerhead onto the exhaust housing. The engine looks to be a fresh water engine, so the screws should loosen up without too much fuss. Why don’t you try loosening all the seven screws and let us know how you make out….Don’t force them if they are stuck, you may have to use heat. Make sure you use a decent larger screwdriver that fits into the screw heads nicely…
                      If you get the powerhead off easily, go ahead and disconnect the shift rod from the shift handle, remove the four gearcase bolts, then remove the gearcase…
                      I would put an add in the wanted section of our classifieds here, someone will have a decent carb for you….D
                      I know that Ben Dittmar has a nice youtube video on servicing one of these engines, including resealing the gearcase…

                      #209819
                      Harmattan1
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                        I was actually watching Bens video of a complete overhaul last week when I started getting into my carb. He knows his stuff it seems like. I will loosen the 7 screws and see how that goes. I have not been out to check on the motor since I took out the drain screw last night late. I will check it later today and see if I can see or find the washer seal there or in the drainage. I went ahead and put an ad in the classified section asking for a CD12 carb. I will wait and see if anyone responds. I will keep you guys informed of my progress.

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