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    Ok – First I tried hard not to post this…but my trial and error approach simply is not working.  This is a recently rebuilt 1956 Johnson Javelin 30HP that for the most part is running absolutely awesome – that in and of itself has been a journey but very rewarding.

    The issue I am facing is that I cannot get the motor to run at full throttle and I have exhausted everything I can trying to use the High Speed knob to make adjustments.  I use a phone app to track speed so will use that to explain the problem.  If I set the throttle at 19/20mph I can pretty much go forever, but if I go full throttle which runs between 24-26mph, I can only go for 30 seconds before the motor starts dying. If I hit some wakes or choppy water that also seems to trigger this behavior.  I would describe it like the motor is starving for gasoline and always have to pump the bulb to re-pressurize the gas line.  If I go back to 7/8mph I can then come back and go full throttle for a brief period.

    Admittedly I am new to this and every single stage has been a learning experience which has challenged me.  I am definitely on the path to becoming Mechanic #1 for this motor!!!  There just feels like there is another adjustment I need to focus on that I haven’t even tried and thought I would reach out to this awesome community.  My last post yielded a perfect answer to my last problem… 🙂

    Appreciate in advance your advice and counsel.

    Rich

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    #262830
    frankr
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      “pump the bulb” strongly suggests you have converted it to a fuel pump system.  I submit that therein lies your problem.  The fuel pump, or installation, or a problem with the tank/hose.  First try running it on a known good tank/hose to narrow it down.

      #262831
      crosbyman
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        tell us more about your pump modification.   (mikuni, B&S pump …etc…. ???)   bypass cover mod or  air nipple mod with  channel block ??

        what exactly  this REBUILD consist of …….electrical, impeller  carb job…..of the whole PH  rework.

        sounds like the  engine is starving at higher rpms….

        Joining AOMCI has priviledges 🙂

        #262834
        Biddaddydan
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          I’d also look for a kink in the fuel lines, a classic as it restrains flow.

          If you have a bulb on the tank fuel line, I gather that you moved away from the pressurized tank system in favour of either a vacuum or electric fuel pump, make sure each and every connection (vacuum, fuel and electrical) is tight.

          Also run a pressure check on the fuel lines looking for pin holes and make sure all lines are of an appropriate size.

          Regards

          There are no old outboards, just machines so well built, they have outlasted their owners !

          #263084

          OK – sorry for the long delay in replying – I was traveling and not with the boat :).

          So to answer some of the questions – the motor was a complete overhaul – totally torn apart and put together piece by piece – using 2 additional motors for parts.  I did not do it but it was as extensive as it gets.  A fuel pump was added and I have added some pictures since I have no knowledge of what it is.  I have 2 tanks but only 1 fuel line.  I have switched tanks but am experiencing the exact same behavior.

          From my check tracing the lines, everything looks very tight – the motor only has 15-20 hours of run time since the rebuild as well – so things look brand new.

          Hopefully this gives a little more context.  One theory of mine is a float adjustment – but not sure there is one..

          Thanks again everyone!

          Rich

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          oldlure
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            I don’t recognize that pump so I would question is it adequate? How far away is the fuel tank?  Looks like there may be some sharp bends in the fuel line first through the cowl pan and second behind that bracket possibly causing a restriction.

            #263102

            The fuel line from the tank to the motor is 100″ long.  Picture below…

            #263132
            outboardnut
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              I heard those pumps are good but no rebuilding kit is available

              #263134
              frankr
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                That pump is nearly as old as the motor itself.  The diaphragm may be petrified hard from age.  OR, there also was a bad version of the pump.  The “good” ones had real check valves, the bad one used diaphragm “flapper” valves.  Replacement parts are long ago NLA.  Replace the pump with a Sierra 18-7351.

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                frankr
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                  The “good” pump and the “bad” pump.  Inset shows the good one with check valves (#60).  Notice no check valves in the other one.

                   

                  8.-Fuel-Tank-and-Pump

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