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  • #277376
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      I worked on this one back in 2016, and believe I put a fair amount of
      money into it with lower unit bearings, and perhaps new Scintilla coils.
      I also worked on a similar powerhead (older 5 hp Chris Craft), so not
      sure what I remember!

      At the time, the only way I could get his motor running was using
      a gravity feed tank, as the fuel pump wasn’t pumping gas.
      After a lot of money spent and time piddling around, I was
      disheartened with it, and stuck it back on the rack.
      Every time I walked by it in the last seven years, it irked me
      being it was an “unsolved” mystery.

      Today, I took it back off the rack, and  already thought of several things
      to try but will have more questions if they don’t pan out.

      Run Video
      https://youtu.be/AvF119_Sl7I

      It seems to me that the compression on this motor may have been
      on the low side, around 60 psi, but it seem to run fine on the
      gravity tank.

      Not sure if I tried the gravity tank to either fuel pump
      inlet, but in the video, the gravity tank is fed directly
      to the carb.

      I “think” the replacement pump is a B&S version.
      Does it matter how it’s “Clocked”?

      Before I tried the B&S pump, or gravity tank, I put a new
      diaphragm in the original fuel pump, which did not pump either.

      After a recent incident on an air cooled outboard with
      a “Sears type” hose connector (which is also on the Oliver),
      I discovered the quick coupler connector was sucking air,
      which I changed out, and then the fuel pump worked good.

      No notes or photos found, showing whether I replaced any crankshaft seals or not,
      but today I notice that there’s an O-ring on the reed block
      that’s all cracked up.

      Can crankcase pressure / vacuum be measured in any practical or informative way
      at the crankcase port, using a automotive “fuel pump pressure / vacuum” gauge?

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      #277448
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        Before I removed the carb and reed valve block this morning, I put my
        dad’s 60 year old automotive pressure / vacuum gauge on the crankcase pulse port,
        and pulled the engine over. The gauge did oscillate both ways, but it was
        hard to actually get any reading while the needle was bouncing around so fast……..
        not that there would be any specs anyway……… but a good excuse to use pop’s
        old gauge.
        I then pulled the reed block off, removed the crusty old O-ring, and installed the biggest O-ring in my kit, which
        I had to stretch a ways to get on. The reed block is held onto the block via the
        carb studs, so I installed the carb and reed block. I didn’t tighten the carb nuts all
        the way tight, as the O-ring appeared to be “squeezing out”.

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        I rigged up the B&S fuel pump to suck out of a jar of mixed gas to see if it
        would pump while spinning the motor over with the drill. It would
        not pump a lick. 🙁
        I then took off the pulse line, and held a finger over the pulse nipple
        while cranking the motor over……. ZILCH for pulse!
        I had pulse before I took the reed block off, so I took the reed block off again
        to examine. While the O-ring appeared to be sealing around the flange, the
        inner body of the reed assembly was apparently suppose to be seating on a
        mating “flat’ on the center main bearing area. It must not have been because
        of not tightening the carb nuts all the way, for fear of squeezing out the O-ring.
        Decided to put a “two size” smaller O-ring on, and went ahead and tightened
        down the reed block until the nuts were tight. The O-ring is bulging some,
        but appeared to be seating.
        Would the original O-ring have been a “flat” O-ring?
        I would think a flat one would be better suited.

        I rigged the jar of gas back up and tried the B&S pump again.
        It pumps nicely now, and orientation of the pump didn’t seem
        an issue. I think I’ll try out the original Oliver pump out tomorrow
        to see what happens.

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        VIDEO ………

        https://youtu.be/KNbJkhFKq_w

         

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        #277502
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          Got a B&S pump working yesterday. It runs, but the low speed (air) needle has to be screwed in all the way to idle.
          The fuel tank hose couple was suspicious of sucking air, but I ran it 20 minutes, fast idle, with the tank 30″ below
          the pump, with no issues. Squirted WD-40 around the carb and reed flanges, and crankcase halves, while it was
          running, and noticed no change in RPMS, hence the crankcase seems tight. Took the carb back off, and changed
          out the tiny washer that the suction jet seats on, and changed out the welch plug in the top of the carb, in case it
          was leaking, as it looked a little “rough”. The jet suction tube has a tiny hole in it, but It wasn’t plugged.
          Hope to put the carb back on tomorrow and see if it helped, as I’m out of ideas!

          VIDEO
          https://youtu.be/W1KVU4rhskA

          The suction jet had a “gooey” rubber gasket under it. Not sure if that could have
          been a problem, but I changed it out for a hard fiber washer.

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          Fuel pump seem to work with no issues……

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          Neither hole was plugged under the Welch plug, but
          the plug itself looked a little “iffy.

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          #277510
          frankr
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            Yeah, that reed block was a learning experience for me the first time I worked on one.  The o-ring does get somewhat mooshed out with the reed block seated all the way in.

            #277513
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              Yeah, that reed block was a learning experience for me the first time I worked on one.  The o-ring does get somewhat mooshed out with the reed block seated all the way in.

              Out of curiosity, I looked at McMaster Carr for “square” o-rings that
              might work. There’s a couple that might be close, but I really wouldn’t
              need fifty 2.250″ ID o-rings……… guess the round one is working anyway.

               

               

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              #277547
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                Before I went through the carb again and fixed a few things, the motor would only idle
                with the Low Speed air needle screwed in all the way “Rich”. Now is idles better,
                and with the needle 1/2 turn out. Replaced the gasket under the suction tube jet, new
                Welch plug, and straightened out the throttle plate. Started on first pull,
                so I think it’s good to go. Lake test next, with the hood on!

                This motor only has 62 & 63 psi compression.
                Anyone know what compression was “new” on these engines?

                BARREL TEST VIDEO, day II
                https://youtu.be/_pjLwWrbsKo

                This is the strangest rewind design I’ve seen regarding the “Dog”
                engagement and retraction.
                Not sure if the lightweight hair springs are installed correctly, but
                that’s how I found them. The clips attached to the dogs, engage
                in the brass plate, seem to do all the work anyway.
                The rewind should be taken all apart, de-rusted, lubed, new rope
                etc., but it’s working great, so I’ll see how I feel about it “after” a
                boat ride.

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                All back together, and it now has edge trim on the hood, and latches
                down snug.

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                #277553
                Bob Wight
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                  Nice job – runs real good now.

                  Bob

                  1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                  1954 Johnson CD-11
                  1955 Johnson QD-16
                  1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                  1958 Johnson QD-19
                  1958 Johnson FD-12
                  1959 Johnson QD-20

                  “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                  "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

                  #277625
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                    Finally got the bugs out now after replacing the bad plug wire
                    that was arcing at full throttle. We ran it around for a half
                    hour with no issues.

                    VIDEO……..
                    https://youtu.be/L8fuI86QiZQ

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                    #277627
                    Bob Wight
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                      Glad to see it all worked out.  Runs way more better.

                      Bob

                      1937 Champion D2C Deluxe Lite Twin
                      1954 Johnson CD-11
                      1955 Johnson QD-16
                      1957 Evinrude Fastwin 18
                      1958 Johnson QD-19
                      1958 Johnson FD-12
                      1959 Johnson QD-20

                      “Every 20 minute job is only a broken bolt away from a 3-day project.”
                      "Every time you remove a broken or seized bolt an angel gets his wings."

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