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January 21, 2021 at 5:58 pm #228420
Mumbles, you’re correct, the one vane is about 1/32″ shy of the side of the liner.
It may have been Joe CB that put a liner in his Scott using a thin SS strip.
Not sure what other options would be.
Other’s may have got their Honda impeller to work without messing with
the liner……. God Bless Them, lol.I did a test of the impeller anyway, and did get it to prime, but the pump darn
near had to be at water level. It would loose prime when the suction tube
was still 6″ under water.
The video shows my testing.The homemade drive “test” shaft doesn’t look great, but it worked good for
the test.Back to the drawing board.
https://youtu.be/MTqifV5AlzoPrepare to be boarded!
January 21, 2021 at 6:42 pm #228426I was just looking on the Scott Atwater forum, and read that
Jason Pickerall did the Honda impeller swap, but also used
a pump liner from a Honda 9.9 hp., and it pumped water nicely.
I PM’d him if he has a part number for that line, as I have no
idea how many years Honda made a 9.9 and if the pumps
changed over the years.
Any good Honda outboard parts sites to look at to research it?
Thanks.Prepare to be boarded!
January 22, 2021 at 12:14 am #228449After searching for a few hours, I don’t think the liners, or inserts, are available by themselves for the Honda BF8D-BF9.9D motors which I think these impellers are meant for. I could be wrong though as all of the liners I could find came with the pump housing and I couldn’t find them individually. Oh well, no problem as I’m sure a liner could be made with a little bit of boring and turning of some aluminum pipe or tubing.
January 22, 2021 at 10:01 am #228455Mumbles, I seen some kits on Ebay that showed the liner as a separate part
from the housing, but I agree, I didn’t see liners listed separately anywhere,
and I’m not ready to spend $50 on the kit, just for a liner.I’m warming up the garage, and will soon go out and “think” about it,
and see If I have anything to make a liner out of.I researched impellers from AOMCI charts last night, and ordered a couple
of Sierra 18-3072. The OD of this one is 1/16″ larger OD than the Honda,
the “height” is .006 thinner, and the bore would have to be bored out .080.
Sounds like this one might be a possibility?I’ll still think about liner for the Honda impellers, but the ordered impellers
will be a “back-up” plan for the current Bailer, and the other one
patiently awaiting revival.Prepare to be boarded!
January 22, 2021 at 4:02 pm #228502I made a liner for the pump housing today so the Honda impeller would fit tighter.
I found a thin wall brass tube affair that I believe came out of an old
garden sprayer. It just happened to be the same OD, or darn near,
as the SS pump liner OD. After I cut off a piece of it “to height”,
I had to cut about 3/16″ chunk on one end for the brass ring
to drop inside the SS liner. Lots of measuring, filing, sanding,
and using a Dremel with a rotary burr to cut out the discharge
hole in the liner, I glued the brass liner in place with “Seal All”,
coating both surface lightly, waiting a minute per instructions,
and darn near didn’t get it back in the pump housing all the way.
I had to use the vise for the last 1/8″ down as the glue was fighting
me. Cure time should be about over, so I may go out and put the
pump back together using my dummy drive shaft again, and see if it pumps.
The Honda impeller “slack vane” now touches the side of the brass liner.
The brass I used was .035 thick, hence I reduced the inside diameter
of the pump housing by .070.
Discharge hole in the brass liner drilled and routed out to fit.
I got lucky with the seam in the liner!
Wish me luck.
Prepare to be boarded!
January 22, 2021 at 6:46 pm #228510“Better”, but no cigar yet. After the brass liner was installed, the pump will now take
suction at normal operating level above water, but only at high speed on the drill.
The drill tops out at 2500 rpms. Not sure what “Start” position rpms would be on this
motor, but presume less than 1000 rpms.There is a wear circle in the top plate and bottom of the liner, the top being worse,
where the center hub of the impeller rides. Note at high speed operation on my video, water
blows out the hole on the top plate where the driveshaft goes thru. Not sure
what’s happening on the bottom side. Is this indicative of my poor pump performance?
I could make a new top plate, out of brass, if it’s worth my effort???
I don’t think the bolt holes line up if I turn the top plate over, but will re-check.Any other ideas or thoughts welcomed.
BTW, the driveshaft has two flats on top of the driveshaft to drive the impellers,
but there’s also two flats towards the bottom of the driveshaft. Was the same shaft
used on other models with the pump down low?
I don’t think there’s a way to mount the pump down low though on this Bailer model.Prepare to be boarded!
January 23, 2021 at 4:35 pm #228586It’s been a learning experience about outboard water pumps.
I’ve seen pump liners in worse shape than the one on this
Scott, and work just fine, but then again, the pumps were
a lot closer to the water level, or actually below, where
they should be!
Therefore, I’ve concluded that if you want your Scott Bailer
to pump water, the pump liner better be in good shape!I also concluded if you’re using Honda impeller
19210-ZW9-013 19210-ZW9-003 18-3100 for Honda 4-Stroke Outboard Motors
You’ll also need to reduce the inside pump cavity diameter by at least
.070 for the impeller to work.I made a new top plate for the water pump housing out of brass plate.
Took a while with a hacksaw, belt sand, files, and various bits
in the Dremel. Then lapped the plate nice and smooth and level
on the pump side.The pump will now take suction at normal operating level above the
water, around a foot up, with the drill operating mid range in speed.
Also note that the pump no longer blows water out around the top cover where
the driveshaft goes through.
It could possibly even pump better if my new O-rings for the pump housing
ever show up. Guess I’ll work on Scott bailer #2 while I await the O-rings.No guess on the longevity of the brass in the pump vs. the original
stainless steel.Prepare to be boarded!
January 23, 2021 at 9:34 pm #228627You’re on the right track here but would it be feasible to make and install a second liner, out of the same material you used for the first one? I’m thinking that would give the vanes firmer contact with the liner lessening the chances of them being bent away from the liner because of resistance to the water. Your brass liner will probably last longer than the aluminum alloy used in OMC pumps.
This photo is all I could find of an OMC impeller in its housing and the vanes have good contact all around. Even the one that’s bent backwards.
January 23, 2021 at 10:56 pm #228641Mumbles, the thought crossed my mind to make a second liner to make the
pump ID even smaller. I’ll ponder it tomorrow.Found out today that the old impellers that were in in when I took
the pump apart, were Lord impellers, # J7598.
Found one reference online that said they also fit 33& 35 hp McCollough
outboards. I’m curious as to what I’ll find in Scott Bailer project #2.
I pulled the lower unit off of it this afternoon, but did not open up the
pumps yet. Will be interesting to see how much contact the slackest
vane has. The Lord impellers I took out of Bailer #1 didn’t seem any
bigger OD than the Honda impellers, but suppose they could have been
worn down some.Prepare to be boarded!
January 23, 2021 at 11:19 pm #228644Now I’d like to know what the ID of the Honda liners for these impellers is. If a 8/9.9 Honda donor comes my way, I’m definitely going to take it out and find out.
Just wondering if the driveshaft offset is much different between the Honda and the S/A motors. If I find a donor, I’ll measure that to!
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