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  • #40343
    mnmarty
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      Well, no go.
      I took out the filter in the carb bowl. I reversed the fuel line from the fuel pump to the carb because it has to take a sharp turn so I wanted to be sure there was no restriction.
      Here’s a pic of the pump installation.
      and here’s a pic of the gas line to the carb and the plug in the background.
      I did have gas come out of the line when disconnected from the carb but I wouldn’t say it was streaming, especially because I can’t get the engine to run much without pumping the bulb.
      I took the pump apart and made sure the diaphragm and gaskets were installed correctly by me. They are brand new.
      I’m literally having to pump the primer bulb like I’m doing CPR. I’m really having to work hard at it.
      I added Sea Foam to the tank.
      If I stop pumping the bulb the engine starts sputtering right away. It really is no better a low throttle or higher throttle.

      #40344
      mnmarty
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        Sorry here are the pics:

        #40349
        fleetwin
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          Do you have another tank/hose you could try?

          #40351
          Steve D
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            Pulse line plugged/restricted somehow? Or any possibility you could revert back to your original setup with a good pressure tank to eliminate all this from the equation temporarily?

            #40352
            mnmarty
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              I changed the gas line from the pump to the carb just in case and the line from the motor to the pump. Slightly better but will still die with no constant pumping. I’ve thought about another tank. If the tank or bulb was restricting would the bulb still be hard? I would assume it would get soft? I have another old line and bulb I could switch out. I don’t have another tank, though.
              I did try to start the motor and it ran for 10 sec while I had my finger over the line from the motor that drives the pump. Air was moving. I didn’t probe the barb fitting on the motor when I changed the line. I guess I could do that.
              I know these modifications may not be authentic but it worked for years. I can’t figure out what would have changed.

              #40353
              cajuncook1
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                quote Steve D:

                Pulse line plugged/restricted somehow? Or any possibility you could revert back to your original setup with a good pressure tank to eliminate all this from the equation temporarily?

                Steve, brought up a good point. The pulse line or barb coming the the bypass cover could be obstructed or partial obstructive preventing adequate functioning of the fuel pump. By pumping the the fuel line bulb you are performing the function of the fuel pump. Please make sure the in line fuel filter is not a one directional flow and installed backwards prevent proper flow of the fuel.

                edit: I forgot to mention that the pulse line coming from the bypass cover and going to the pulse port on the fuel pump can get clogged with old fuel mix and prevent properly functioning fuel pump.

                Also, a briggs and straton fuel pump can be used as a cheap substitute. I think they are about $10 to 12 bucks apiece.

                #40354
                mnmarty
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                  I did may sure the arrow is pointing the right way. I’ll take off the line from the motor and ream out the barb. I’ve been reading all kinds of stuff about bad fuel lines and primer bulbs. Mine are old. I just can’t see how it messes things up unless the bulb is filled with crud?

                  #40364
                  fleetwin
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                    Try avoid judging primer bulbs by how they feel…Sometimes the bulbs get hard when primed, sometimes they don’t. You can’t draw too many conclusions about primer bulb condition by "how it feels".
                    The easiest thing to do here would be to try a different tank/hose to confirm/rule out these things as problems. If you decide to buy a new hose/primer bulb assembly, I would stick with the expensive OEM stuff. The cheaper stuff won’t last long so there will be no savings.
                    If the tank/hose get ruled out, then you have one of three possibilities:
                    air leak in engine fuel lines
                    restriction in engine fuel lines
                    problem with fuel pump or pulse line
                    Generally speaking, an air leak in the engine’s fuel lines should show as a fuel leak when the primer bulb is used. The fuel connection fittings are often to blame, along with old stiff fuel lines, sloppy connections before the fuel pump.
                    Frank advised removing the fuel filter screen to rule it out as a restriction, have you done that? Look for kinked/crushed fuel lines as well. Did you remove the fuel line from the carb and pump the primer bulb to check fuel flow? The engine’s fuel connection fittings could cause a restriction as well. I suppose the easiest way to rule out some of these issues would be to remove the tank’s connection fitting, and connect the fuel line directly to the inlet side of the fuel pump. I remember you saying you checked the arrow on the primer bulb, but are you sure you didn’t reverse the lines on the fuel pump? Usually, you can’t pump fuel through these pumps in the wrong direction, but I am not familiar with the pump you have.
                    Are you sure the pulse line is OK? I know you mentioned feeling the pulses in the line, but be sure its connections are tight. I suppose engine damage could affect the pulses through the line, but this seems unlikely if the engine is running OK, but it can’t hurt to check compression. Crankcase leaks will affect pump performance, make sure that fuel pump port cap isn’t leaking.
                    Once most of this stuff has been ruled out, it is most likely a fuel pump issue, not uncommon with today’s obnoxious fuels…

                    #40371
                    Steve D
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                      quote fleetwin:

                      Once most of this stuff has been ruled out, it is most likely a fuel pump issue, not uncommon with today’s obnoxious fuels…

                      Having a known good fuel pump to swap out would be handy right about now.

                      #40385
                      chris-p
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                        After reading your descriptions of what you need to do to keep it running, Im not sure you don’t have an issue in your carb, like the float stuck partially down, etc… If you primed your carb, it should fill the bowl, and you should be able to run almost a minute on that alone without constantly priming it with the bulb. Since you do, I don’t think your carb bowl is totally filling up.

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