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    Hello, first post. I have a 1963 evinrude speeditwin 28hp that I’ve been working on for a couple months. I have a persistent oil leak. I have rebuilt the lower unit and changed every seal, even the shifter bushing but I still keep getting oil in the water and water in the oil.  It also seems to only spit water intermittently at very high rpms. I changed the impeller twice. I’m $300 in and wondering if this engine a lost cause. Could the lower unit housing be cracked?

    Thanks!

    #291970
    outbdnut2
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      Where are you seeing the oil leaking from?  Can you post a photo?  Are you sure it’s not from gas/oil residue in the exhaust housing running out?  This is normal, especially after just running in a bucket.   Are the surfaces where the seals touch the prop-shaft and driveshaft smooth? or do they have grooves worn in?  You can usually see cracks in the housing halves.  Have you very carefully replaced the rope seal between the housing halves by cutting to the proper length and putting a dab of sealer at each end?

      When you changed the impeller, did you get the impeller key positioned where it should be?   Are you running it with the water several inches above the cavitation plate?  If you are just covering the water intake, it will not self prime, and your impeller will usually self-destruct in a minute or two.

      Note that most of your 28 HP is based on he 1956 30 HP design and parts.

      Dave

      #291971
      seakaye12
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        It helps if you have access to a pressure tester.  You don’t mention doing a pressure test.  Testers can be purchased or can be made;  even from a bicycle pump.

        The gearcase would be drained of oil….the tester hooked up and build pressure to 6-8 pounds.  Submerse the gearcase and see where the bubbles are coming from.

        A member here did some instructional videos a few years ago on gearcase re-seals.  Even though you may know the factory procedures….some of his methods are proven where others not so much.  Have a look;  I always learn from his videos.

        https://youtu.be/MABn9YR4Gw8?si=py8V0j_l1urOyZE-

        #291972
        crosbyman
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          more info is needed … as to where the oil shows up.  sometimes  a simple airline crack from freezing  will let oil seep out over time .

          has suggested the best is to pump some air in the GC  ..a soapy water  spray can be  used also … testing like a flat  tire will show bubbles where the problem is.

          here is  cheap Amazon tool  I  use but you need the  3/8 inch 16TPI  adapter to  screw in the lower oil hole.

          you can use it to also  vacum test the GC

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4acSf_BgP4

           

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          #291973

          The oil does seem to be coming out of the exhaust port but it feels like more than residue. After running it for a few mins the top of the water is covered. It’s odd that it’s brand new oil but it looks black in the water though. Could I be wrong about residue?

          I did burn up the first impeller so I think the water is high enough now. I changed the spaghetti seal and used marine sealant all the way around tha casing. It did seem smooth, I didn’t notice visible cracks.

          One odd thing was the new shifter bushing didn’t seat flush with the housing and I feel like the old one did. I hit it so hard I indented it so it seemed in all the way.

          The pressure test is a great idea though. Thanks for that guys!

          The carb is also eating gas. I rebuilt it and noticed the high speed needle is a bull nose? The schematics show it pointy.  and it didn’t seem to close the port when adjusted all the way in. The low speed was pointy and seemed fine. Could this be why?

          Thanks again!

          #291975
          outbdnut2
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            I’m sure at least some of what you are seeing is exhaust residue.  Each piston stroke that doesn’t fire puts a cylinder-full of oil/gas-vapor mix down the exhaust, and when starting cold with the choke on, it’s a rich mix.  Then, until you get it running smooth, firing each cylinder every time, it continues to put unburned gas/oil mix down the exhaust each time a cylinder doesn’t fire.  Some of this comes out in the water where the oil floats to the surface, where it spreads out and looks like more than it is.  This unburned gas/oil also coats the inside of the exhaust housing and combines with the combustion residue to turn black and some slowly drains out later unless it is given a high throttle run for a while on a boat to clear it out.  Until you have adjusted the high speed carb jet on a boat at wide open throttle, it will not be set right unless you have a test-wheel (which most all of us don’t have)  instead of the prop, so could easily be set too rich.  The bullnose shape of the high speed “needle” is correct.    Before dumping your water barrel, squirt some liquid dish soap on top and you will see the floating oil rapidly turn into a more environmental-friendly goop.  These motors do drink their share of gas at idle speeds, and if the float level is set right, and the carb doesn’t leak gas when the primer-bulb gets firm and is squeezed a bit more, the carb is likely OK.   The pressure test on the gearcase the other guys mentioned is best way to test the gearcase for leaks.

            Dave

            #291981

            My mind is blown. You’re right! That makes sense. Its probably all residue this whole time. I knew it looked too black and it drips out after I shut it off just like you described. I rebuilt the lower unit twice! Argh. But this is the first outboard and 2 stroke I’ve ever worked on so…moving on I guess.  I rebuilt the carb but I didn’t adjust the new float so could that cause it to burn extra gas? It also will intermittently puke gas out of the front of carb when I’m priming it. Thought I fixed that with the rebuild but it recently happened again. Could that also be the float?  It definitely feels like it’s running rough most of the time. Every once in a while it will Rev super high for a minute, then it wants to stall out. At high rpm, I’m burning through a gallon of gas in like 10 mins.

            #291982

            I’m also getting 80 lbs of compression in each cylinder. I was having trouble finding if that is normal.  Thanks!

            #291985
            crosbyman
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              a gal per 10 min….???   my carbed Merc 50 would burn 5 imp. gal/hr at wot so something is wrong here… you are burning 6 gal /H with  approx.   50% in HP .

              “I still keep getting oil in the water and water in the oil.  ” 

               Residue in the bucket is very normal has describded but do you have  water INSIDE the GC  if you dump the oil ?

              80 psi isn’t  monstrous but it should do  imho.

              btw  get this book to learn all you need on your oldy…. J&E are cousins .  Best $20 you will spend !

              https://watercraftmanuals.com/outboard/johnson/manuals/johnson-302231.htm

               

               

               

               

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              #291988
              seakaye12
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                Probably someone dropped the carb needle on the ground and blunted the point.  You will have to remedy that;  best with another needle.  Using that one can damage the seat inside the carburetor.  You will have a bad day.

                The other way that large amounts of fuel can get ingested by a motor   (and end up in the water)  is with a ruptured fuel pump diaphragm.  A symptom of that would be a primer bulb that noes not get hard.

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