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July 26, 2022 at 10:26 am #263619
Hello Members!
I was recently given a wooden rowboat along with an outboard motor by my aunt. The boat was built by my uncle, Don Spinelli, who was a member here who has since passed away. It is an Evinrude 1964. I don’t know for sure, but I think it is the 9.5, since I saw a similar picture to it on Ebay being sold.
I was wondering if anyone here can confirm the year, make and model of the motor (see attached pictures) and also make any suggestions of the best way to do some maintenance on it? My uncle had not fired it up in several years, and I am hesitating to do anything without getting some advice.
Truth be told, I am beyond green when it comes to this. I have never owned a boat or an outboard. I have watched some videos showing extensive rebuilds of some similar motors from the same period, which were very informative.
From that, here is what I do know to do:
- Drain the oil from the lower unit and refill
- Drain the old gas (if any) from the tank and perhaps clean?
- Change the oil in the main engine.
Is there anything else that I should do or any videos you can suggest that would be good for a beginner? There are so many engine videos and I don’t know which to trust.
Any assistance at all is appreciated.
Thanks!
Martin, nephew of a long-time, but since passed away, member and vintage outboard enthusiast
PS: I posted on this site several months ago trying to find a buyer for a Shelcraft boat that my late uncle (a member here) was rebuilding. I appreciated all of the advice and feedback I got. Thanks so much! The good news is that the original Shelcraft family that manufactured the boat purchased it to rebuild and put in their showroom in MD.
July 26, 2022 at 11:25 am #263630Johnson (leeroysramblings.com)
Johnson (leeroysramblings.com)
nice trolling motors….see links
coils under the flywheel may be gone …. not expensive to replace clean points etc… and carb….. see you tubes on 9.5 carb cleaning condensers…may be in need of replacement also
all funny hobby stuff to learn 🙂 no oil in main engine this is a 2 stroke.. TCW-3 oil goes in fuiel at 50/1 ratio
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July 26, 2022 at 7:11 pm #263667OK, well from the picture, the engine looks to be a 1964 9.5hp, which was the first year for this model. Well, I would definitely drain and refill the gearcase. This is not a hard job, but an easy one to screw up. Watch some of the videos beforehand and remember not to remove the phillips head screw on the bottom of the gearcase, this will cause the shift linkage to drop down inside the gearcase.
Does this engine have a metal or plastic fuel tank? If it has a metal tank, I would definitely drain anything inside and have a good look inside to make sure the tank is not rusted or fouled inside. This is a two stroke engine and requires a 50:1 fuel/oil mix: 1 pint of TCW3 outboard oil thoroughly mixed with 6 gallons of regular gas. There is no oil to drain from the engine, it gets all it lubrication from the fuel/oil mix. Running the engine even for just a few minutes at high RPM without any/or enough oil mix with permanently damage it. The engine is water cooled by a rubber impeller, so don’t run it out of the water, even for a few minutes. Running the rubber impeller “dry” with damage it quickly and can create some nasty cooling issues caused by rubber debris clogging up passages.
I would definitely check the engine for spark, I”m guessing you don’t have the proper flywheel puller so don’t attempt to remove the flywheel.
Watch some instructional videos and then get back to us with questions before attempting to start the engine.1 user thanked author for this post.
July 27, 2022 at 1:21 pm #263702Wow thanks so much!
1) I realized after I posted that – of course you don’t change the engine oil since it’s in the fuel. oops! Thanks for the reminder about not running the engine outside of water – I did remember that from the videos I watched. The guy had the lower end in a large bucket of water.
2) I don’t have a flywheel removal tool, so I won’t attempt to take that off or replace the coils, at least not yet.
3) The fuel is in these separate red plastic tanks. Am I right that I need to use the siphon bulb to push the fuel up into the engine? Any advice on how to do that and how much, or just how it works? Does it drain the fuel automatically when it runs? Sorry – I am seriously inexperienced.
4) How to check for spark? Also, I have heard that a lot of times, these older engines will only run on 1 cylinder. How can I tell if it’s running on 2?
I will drain the gearcase (thanks for the note on the philips screw) and refill. Then I will check back with my questions before I attempt to start it.
Thanks again!
Martin
PS: Also, uncle made some sort of makeshift switch mechanism inside of a repurposed water bottle. It’s not directly attached to anything, just in the boat. It has a light switch mounted onto a water bottle with a whole bunch of wires coming out of it. I will have to take a photo and show to this group. Any ideas of why he would have this? Maybe it has something to do with the trailer or lights on the actual boat?
PPS: I am really touched that you guys responded and especially the comment about “membership has it’s benefits”. I take that as a tribute to my late uncle’s membership here. He was such a great man, so kind and generous to me and to folks in his community. The world lost a great man and this group a great boating enthusiast when he passed away.
July 27, 2022 at 5:45 pm #263706Martin
Where do you live? Perhaps there is a member nearby that might be willing to guide/help you with this project.
To do a basic spark check, remove both plugs, then reconnect them to the high tension leads and let the plugs lie on a good engine ground. Please be very careful to make sure there is no fuel spilled or anything that might ignite, might be best to do this outside in the dark. Have an assistant pull the recoil rope while you watch the plugs, you will see them arc if there is spark. Keep in mind that a bad spark plug could cause it not to show spark during this test. Yes, I realize this is not a proper test, but it will tell you something. Just because the plugs show spark, does not mean it is good strong spark. But, if either/both plugs show no spark, you can be pretty sure you have an ignition problem.
OK, so you have plastic fuel tanks. Probably best to drain them out completely. Fill one tank with the proper fuel/oil mixture, have a look at the fuel line. Is it stiff/cracked? If so, you may need to replace it. If the fuel line seems “OK”, I would simply insert a small wooden dowel into the fuel connector check valve, then pump the fuel bulb. The stuff that comes out initially will probably be stinky and a brown/orange color. Keep pumping until you have clean fuel/oil mix running out of the connector. Again, do this outside with the connector aimed inside a pan or something to catch the stray fuel coming out. Once the fuel line has been purged, reinstall the spark plugs, being sure to get the proper lead on each plug. The plug with with a metal “up” band goes on the top plug.
Next, go ahead and drain the gear lube, removed both big slotted screws, one on the skeg, the other just about the horizontal AV plate above the propeller. Try to keep the screws in the same hole you got them from, this is because there are gaskets on the screws. But, the gasket may be stuck in the gearcase. So mixing up the drain screws could cause one to have two gaskets, the other to have none. Now, you have just created an oil leak. You will find one of the following conditions when you drain the gear lube, again you will need to remove both of the large slotted screws.propeller. You will see one of four/ conditions: brown/gold gear lube draining out into the pan / Milky colored gear lube draining into the pan/ raw water mixed with gear lube draining into the pan/ or perhaps nothing will drain out . Needless to say, water in the gear lube spells trouble. Seeing nothing drain out probably means the gear oil leaked out, water leaked inside, and the internals are rusted. Refilling the gearcase is a little tricky, you will need a fairly large tube of gearlube, with a pointed applicator so the lube can be squirted/forced back into the gearcase. Again, both screws need to be removed in order to fill the gearcase. The gear lube must be squirted in from the bottom hole until it starts dribbling out of the top hole, you can not fill the gearcase from the top hole down. It is best to have an assistant for this operation. Once the gear lube starts to dribble out of the top hole, have your assistant reinstall the top screw while the tube/applicator is still inserted in the bottom hole. This will create a vacuum so that when you quickly remove the tube from the bottom hole, you won’t lose much lube while reinstalling the bottom screw due to the vacuum condition. Now make sure both screws are snug/tight.
Let us know how you make out performing these tasks, feel free to post pictures, then we will go from there.1 user thanked author for this post.
September 1, 2022 at 11:40 am #265387Fleetwin:
Thanks for your response and advice – totally helpful. Any Idea on that mechanism I mentioned in my PS?
I live in southeast Michigan. South Lyon.
Peace,
Martin
September 3, 2022 at 7:11 am #265473Martin
Perhaps you can post a picture of the mechanism you are referring to. D
July 2, 2023 at 5:42 pm #277622Fleetwin:
I finally got around to working on this motor. My son-in-law and I just cleaned out the tanks per your instructions, also we refilled the lower end with gear lube exactly as you described. We also did a spark test and get an arc on both plugs. Then we got the correct fuel oil mixture in both tanks and connected one of the tanks to the motor.
Of course, we did not obey your advice above and tried to start the motor, but it didn’t even turn over. We used the bulb pump to fill the little clear bowl with fuel, but still nothing.
Any advice on what to do next?
Thanks!
July 2, 2023 at 10:06 pm #277628clean the carb !!! totally 100 % clean ..needed on these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-VTkOuSg00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pwU5aho9U&t=0s
you have sparks but….you should redo electricals if original coils are still in and all cracked up as per picture above , condensers likely shot points needs at minimum a good cleaning . ste pointsat .020 at he widest openning on the cam lobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1Cjymj6ms&feature=youtu.be
you did the impeller yes ????
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July 3, 2023 at 5:41 am #277637I hope you’re starting with the motor in a barrel of water, or the motor on a boat, IN the water. Don’t ever try to start it dry, on a work bench or something like that. You’ll quickly destroy what might be left of the water pump.
Put a couple of thimble-fulls of gas down the open throat of the carburetor and try to start the motor. If it tries to run for a few seconds and then quits, cleaning the carb is a MUST-do.
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