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    oldemtr
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      I’m going to look at a couple motors, and I’m not really good on identifying – Can anyone give a positive ID on these 2?
      This should be easy for you guys – I’ll be surprised if it takes 5 min :~)

      The first I think, maybe pre war Johnson or Evinrude? But maybe not …….

      unknown-motor-1

      The 2nd one also looks familiar, but again, I’m not sure –

      unknwn-motor-2

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      #197660
      frankr
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        2nd one is a 1940-something Kiekhaefer Mercury.

        #197661
        dave-bernard
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          the bottom is a mercury or made by mercury.
          tag on the side says it all.

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          #197662
          oldemtr
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            Update – Is the second one an early Mercury Comet – Minus lower cowl and spark plug cover ?

            #197665
            BROOK E. NEWCOMB
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              1st one looks to be a Muncie/Neptune.

              #197667
              oldemtr
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                Bingo! And here it is in the 1934 catalog :
                2hp-neptune

                Thank you all – Now I just have to see them in person :~)

                #197683
                green-thumbs
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                  The second is a Kiekhaefer single, the tank does not appear to have a
                  “chin” and it has a Tillotson AJ series carburetor, SO my guess
                  would be a 1941 Mercury KB1A early production or Wizard equivalent.
                  model. I believe I have seen the photo elsewhere.
                  Louis

                  #197691
                  oldemtr
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                    So, would this motor NOT have had a lower cowling and plug cover?

                    I’ve seen a photo of a Comet, with cowl and spark plug cover :
                    1946_KD3

                    VS. This, without either, and so would be complete, as is :
                    1941_KB1A_Mercury

                    I’m trying to understand what I’m going to look at……..

                    #197702
                    green-thumbs
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                      KB1 Special and KB1 A Standard were same except upgrade from
                      poppet valve fuel mixer to carburetor. KB1 was dropped from
                      line and KB1 A changed to a steel gas tank to conserve aluminum
                      restrictions imposed by government. The KB3 Deluxe model
                      had a distinctive “chin” tank, cowl, rewind starter and spark plug covers.
                      Due to possible parts swaps identification is tentative, however, the
                      tank is almost certainly the non rewind tank used on KB1 and
                      early KB1 A
                      Edit
                      ID tag on prewar singles is on Port side of leg, while ID tag on postwar
                      singles is on Starboard side. The motor in second photo has ID tad
                      on Starboard (post war) side. It would appear that leg and clamp
                      assembly are from a postwar single. If so,clever native craftsmen have
                      been at work.
                      In your photo of a restored KB1 A the AJ3 carburetor has a rectangular
                      lump of excess metal. Apparently, initial production of AJ series had this lump.
                      Motor in second photo may be a parts motor with parts from here and there. The ID tag may not give the whole story as power head assembly and leg may not have left the factory together. A little
                      detective work is in order.
                      Edit
                      If as I suspect, motor #2 proves to be a collection of parts, what then?
                      Tough call unless price is right. Those with experience and parts can get things mostly correct with a reasonable investment in time, money and frustration. I would jump on it at $10 and pass at $100
                      …somewhere between I would flip a coin If you go for it post
                      better photos here. I would like to know how far off my guesses are.
                      Louis

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                      #197703
                      fifty20ne
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                        1941-42 Mercury COMET Factory Instructions.
                        Can be found under “Technical” on site
                        We don’t have a dedicated “mercury” section yet?

                        https://aomci.org/forums/topic/mercury-comet-instructions-1941-42/

                        Kb-1

                        KB-1A

                        A Many Thanks to “Tom Thuerwachter” for his many great articles in AO!

                        TTKB-1A

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