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  • #197712
    oldemtr
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      Thank you for this information !
      I’m now thinking the 2nd motor is probably a KB-1A – On this right side view, it looks like there’s a carburetor bowl, so then it’s the later model with the Tillotson.

      But I’m also thinking that there were some parts swapped – The carb knobs look like those on a KB-3, and the transom clamp is the heavier duty double screw type from the later motor – So, it will be interesting to look at that serial number tag .

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      #197733
      opposedtwin
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        US Member - 2 Years

        Either way, you should buy it! The pre-war mercurys are fun and (for the most part) simple to work on. And they’re not nearly as common as pre-war OMC stuff.
        Scott

        #197869
        opposedtwin
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          “ID tag on prewar singles is on Port side of leg, while ID tag on postwar singles is on Starboard side.”

          Louis, where did you learn this about the ID tags above? That is a really interesting and useful distinction. I took apart the gear case on my kd4 last night and compared the prop shaft/gear to the one from my k1/sea king. Completely different gears! Similar in size but bevels are very different.

          I believe the upper of the 2 restored motors is a post-war kd3. The ID plate is on the starboard side and is then consistent with the distinction you point out.

          Scott

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          #197889
          green-thumbs
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            I have a fair number of prewar and post war singles,one day I noticed tags on KB1 A,(3 examples) KB3 (1 example) 1941 Sea King single (2
            examples) plus 3 legs Note 1940 motors had information stamped
            into rope plate or in case of Sea King stamped into clamp bracket.
            Post war KD3 (1 example) KD3S (4 examples) were checked.
            The prewar (1941) all had ID tag on the port side of leg
            while the postwar singles had the ID tag on starboard side.
            For those not into nautical trivia.
            RED LEFT PORT & GREEM RIGHT STARBOARD when facing forward.

            GEAR SETS for the early K model Kiekhaefers is easy
            SINGLE cylinder models have 12 tooth pinion on drive shaft and a 22 tooth gear on prop shaft.
            TWIN cylinder models have a 14 tooth pinion on drive shaft and a 19 tooth gear on prop shaft. A bronze spacer and 3 steel shims are
            also needed to obtain correct gear lash…critical items often left out.

            GEAR SETS! 12/22 and 14/19 ONLY!

            Same propeller was used on both singles and twins. The different
            gear sets gave better match of power to propeller.

            I have 3 or 4 14/19 gear sets that were badly chewed up because
            the shims and spacer were left out and motor was run despite
            the noise from gears self destructing.

            Note: most of my accumulation were LOW price projects.
            Some are 90% done and some are not as close to finish line.

            I have a KB1 A steel tank awaiting delivery arrangements, I think it
            could be subject of a photo series as I delve into it.
            Louis

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            #197894
            green-thumbs
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              In the product description of KB1, KB1 A and KB3 the port side is shown,but, no I D plate. I believe that can be explained as follows…
              The product description sheets were prepared before actual production
              and likely used prior year parts to create the sample. I have seen
              photos of a Wizard WB6 with a stamped rope plate and an ID tag
              with same serial number. Gas tank was stamped steel like 1940
              twin instead of 1941 cast aluminum tank. Only logical reason is that
              it was a pre production sample made up for Western Auto approval
              using prior year parts. Motor appeared in photo to have seen a lot
              of use.
              Kiekhaefer pre war motors can tell an interesting story.
              Louis

              #197901
              oldemtr
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                OK – Follow up –
                I came home with both the motors in question, and a couple others :~)

                The Neptune looks great – Complete, and even has a twist grip throttle, which I wasn’t expecting .
                The “Mercury” actually wasn’t – It’s really a Wizard WD-3, which unfortunately is missing the lower cowl, and plug cover.
                A question on the Wizard – Were these motors painted gold ?

                #197904
                dave-bernard
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                  yes they were . and they all did not have those covers.

                  #197910
                  kirkp
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                    yes they were . and they all did not have those covers.

                    Dave, care to expand on this a bit? Was there a reason some came without them?

                    #197911
                    dave-bernard
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                      STANDARD AND DELUXE.

                      #197924
                      fifty20ne
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                        Wizard WD-3 looks like this only gold.

                        KD3

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