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    lindy46
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    #173327

    I bought a pontoon with the above engine and there are a couple issues. First, there is a lever on top of the throttle/shift lever which lifts up. I assume that is a neutral fast idle lever? It appears to do nothing, so maybe disconnected? Is there a fast idle stop screw that can be adjusted to kick up the idle a bit?
    Second, the power tilt works, but the motor gradually lowers by itself – I don’t see a place to add oil to the mechanism. I assume a leaky seal somewhere? Also, the motor has a manual adjustable tilt like the old style motors with a tilt pin that can be moved. The pin is in the first hole which is too low. However, the power tilt interferes with placing the pin in the other holes. I may be able to place it in the last hole, which may be too high a tilt. Do these motors depend on the power tilt to maintain the position?

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    fleetwin
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    #173402

    If the fast idle lever does nothing when lifted, most likely there is something wrong with the control box….Have an assistant lift the control warm up lever while you are watching the cable back at the engine to see if it is moving. Perhaps the sync/link/control cable adjustment at the engine is messed up causing this symptom…Perhaps the control cable is kinked, or too long with too many bends in it….
    There is only one seal on this PTT unit, and it is where the tilt cylinder piston comes out of the cylinder…..I’m thinking you would be able to see any leakage in this area….Are they any other external leaks evident? The unit is filled when the engine is in the full tilt up position, be sure to support it somehow while you are working under there. Remove the large fill plug located near the top of the unit, then add GM dexron II transmission fluid (red), or the OMC power trim/tilt fluid (golden color) until it overflows out of the fill hole.
    http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johnson-evinrude-parts.php?year=2000&hp=50&model=BJ50PLSSM&manufacturer=Johnson&section=Power+Trim+%26amp%3B+Tilt
    The fiill plug is #30 in the diagram, the manual release valve is #8.
    Check the manual release valve it should be tight….Try backing it off a bit and retightening it….Please remember to support the engine in the full tilt up position while messing with the release valve so the engine doesn’t come down on your fingers….Once you have filled the unit and checked the manual release valve, run the unit up and down a few times, let it bottom on both ends of the range to get any air out of the system….I’m assuming this is a fresh water unit, trying to loosen release valve on a salt water unit could be futile…. If problems persist, I would order a new manual release valve….You must remove the snap ring in order to remove the release valve completely….Once it is out, check to see of the little rubber seal is still present on the inner end of the valve. Oil will probably leak out if you remove the release valve, so you will have to fill and bleed the system again….
    And yes, the power trim unit is more than capable of holding the engine in any position, if the tilt pin can not be moved to the center hole…This engine does have a trim position sender mounted inside the port stern bracket, so you can easily add a trim gage on the dash to help position it correctly at slow speeds…

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    #173407

    I haven’t noticed any leaks, but I’ll check when we go to the lake on Wednesday. If it’s low on fluid, would that cause the motor to slowly drop down? Is the fill plug in the front or back of the cylinder? Can I use a squirt oil can to add oil? I don’t really need to tilt the motor too often, so I’ll see if I can move the tilt pin to the third hole to keep the motor in the optimum running position. Seems the PTT unit interferes with the holes.

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    fleetwin
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    #173587

    Well, low fluid probably wouldn’t cause it to leak down, and you would probably hear the pump gurgling and surging….But, this is a good place to start….Does the engine leak all the way down when tilted up fully? The fill plug should be accessible/visible when you tilt the engine up, it is not positioned between the engine and the transom…Again, please support the engine while working under there so you don’t get hurt…Using an oil squirt can is a great idea for adding fluid, add fluid until it starts to leak back out of the hole when the engine is tilted up fully. Have a look at that manual release valve I spoke about in my earlier post.

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    #173637

    When I removed the filler plug, fluid actually ran out. So I squirted some more in and quickly replaced the plug. I checked the manual release plug and it was tight. No sign of any leakage. Ran the unit up and down a few times, but she still slowly drops down.

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    fleetwin
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    #173654

    OK, the unit was full, so no external leaks…
    You loosened, then tightened the manual release valve, but still leaks down…
    The only other shot you have is to order a new manual release valve, I would probably order some of the rubber tips/orings also, looks like the might be sold separately… Once you remove the old manual release valve, check to see that the rubber tip did not fall off the old valve, and it might be laying inside the cavity, which could cause further problems….
    Once you have ruled out the manual release valve, that means there is an internal problem somewhere requiring unit disassembly….A project better saved for winter time, when you can remove the engine from the boat….
    Sorry
    Don

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    jeff-register
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    #173664

    There are single & double acting cylinders. Sounds like yours is single acting, pumps the cylinder rod out of the cylinder & gravity compresses the rod back in. A double acting cylinder pumps up one side & drains the other side. When stopped pressure is kept on either side of the ram to hold position. Like Don said, valving or ram O-ring leaking causing pressure bypass. I’ve seen O-rings get soft & flip in the bore as travel happens. Every time it dumps fluid to the other side of the ram. That would make down travel slow too as it’s having to bypass fluid again.

    lindy46
    lindy46
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    #173678

    OK, the unit was full, so no external leaks…

    You loosened, then tightened the manual release valve, but still leaks down…

    The only other shot you have is to order a new manual release valve, I would probably order some of the rubber tips/orings also, looks like the might be sold separately… Once you remove the old manual release valve, check to see that the rubber tip did not fall off the old valve, and it might be laying inside the cavity, which could cause further problems….

    Once you have ruled out the manual release valve, that means there is an internal problem somewhere requiring unit disassembly….A project better saved for winter time, when you can remove the engine from the boat….

    Sorry

    Don

    I didn’t loosen the manual release – just assured that it was tight.

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