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  • #189163
    frankr
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      This is beginning to reveal how little experience I have with opposed twins. But one more point, then I’ll shut up. Whichever end the assemblies end up in, make sure any oil holes (if any) in the rods are “up”.. I’ll watch from the sidelines now.

      #189171
      jacksonm29
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        I think that the pins are supposed to have the open side down, maybe to keep from holding fuel?
        Just my opinion, and I recall that the Speeditwin/ Speedifours I have worked on were that way also.
        No big deal, is just install them correctly after cleaning, etc.

        Keep the pistons matched with their respective bores.

        As for rings, PN200576 is for standard size. If you can find em. I think new ones can be had from the piston ring guy. Make sure you get the ones with the notch for the little pin in the piston groove.

        And yes that crank taper and key way look horrible. If it were mine, I’d be on the search for a good replacement. A good crank taper and key is extremely important with these opposed twins.

        Mark

        #189173
        jacksonm29
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          Something just occurred to me…this was the motor with the broken prop shaft right?
          If so, I submit to you that this worn crank taper is/ was the root of the problem.

          Loose flywheels on big opposed twins will cause a serious back and forth knock all the way to the shear pin. Especially at idle.
          Sadly, i had this happen on a PO-15.
          Ruined the crankshaft, flywheel, and sheared the 5/16 shear pin. All in about 10 minutes.

          I have 4 running 6039s and several leftover parts and pieces, but I have no good crankshafts.

          For me ( and I am a machinist) I wouldn’t fool with welding it up and recutting the taper and key.
          Also, I would guess that the flywheel bore is pretty rough as well.

          I’m sure a good crank can be found.
          Also something to consider, the crankshafts seem to be fitted to their particular lower bearing/ rotary valve assembly for a good seal.

          Mark

          #189176
          Buccaneer
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            Thanks for all the replies.
            Good point on the “rod oil holes” Frank!
            I was told 40 some years ago to always put things back in the same hole
            they came out of, so will try to adhere to that advise.

            This motor most likely won’t be run more than a couple times a year, but
            I do want to make it reasonably “solid”. This is the motor that had the
            broken prop shaft. I’ve ordered some expensive epoxy to build up the
            replacement end of the prop shaft in the seal and prop area, and will
            try this same epoxy to fix up the keyway, and crankshaft taper if
            needed. I have a replacement flywheel in good shape.
            Epoxy is suppose to come today, but not sure I’ll get the garage warm enough….
            14 brrrrr low right now 🙁

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            #189189
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              Piddled in the garage on the Speeditwin while trying to get
              the wood fire going. I will be able to get at the rod bolts
              without removing the pistons. Tried to loosen the rod bolts,
              but they didn’t want to budge and it was impossible to hold
              the crankcase steady and use two hands on the screwdriver.
              Therefore, I drilled a couple of holes in a piece of angle iron
              to mount the cylinder in the vise.

              Frank, Please don’t remain silent just because “opposed twins”
              aren’t your forte. I had no idea about the piston pin direction
              “hole” pointing down as norm, nor could I find anything in
              a Johnson or Evinrude manual to help.
              Most importantly perhaps, you mention to check the oil holes
              in the rods as “UP”……. mine are “down”. Just hope
              the lower unit blew up on the first ride after the power head
              was last taken apart!

              One these opposed twin OMC engines, which cylinder is
              designated as #1, Port or Starboard side?
              Just thought it would be nice to know in case I find any
              old markings on the road caps, etc.
              Thanks again.

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              #189192
              frankr
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                Having worked on many single cylinder motors where the intake ports are on the top of the cylinder and the exhaust is on the bottom, it is pretty much universal that the pins go in with the open end down. Yeah, so they don’t collect a gob of fuel. That’s why they caught my eye. But as for motors where the ports are on the sides, I really can’t say with expertise, or even if it makes a difference.

                What is universal, is oil holes are on top of the rods so oil goes in by gravity.

                Again, opposed twins are not my field. Salt water had killed most of them around here by the time I started my career. At least killed them dead enough that nobody wanted to pay the bill to rebuild them. But things are different now that they are antiques.

                #189194
                RICHARD A. WHITE
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                  Since both cylinders fire at the same time I would surmise that they both be the same, #1, but probably just referred to as port cylinder and starboard cylinder

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                  #189195
                  garry-in-michigan
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                    More proof that the left piston is on the wrong side and visa versa. My original post said to use a very long screw driver socket (attachment) next to the piston – then you can use an impact driver to loosen the screws. Swap assemblies with new piston rings. (After deglazing the cylinders) I am sure there is a roll of 2-½” piston rings in the garage at the Cottage. We got them in packages of 100. Unfortunately my sister locked it up when she left and won’t be back for 4 months. We also have a jig to hold them while we cut the notch for the alignment pin.
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                    #189196
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                      I spent a good part of the day just getting to the point of getting the rod bolts loose.
                      I had to rig up a piece of angle iron to mount the crankcase in the vise and clamp
                      the dangling rod / piston to the angle iron so every thing was “steady”.
                      Got the biggest screwdriver I had and it was impossible to get a good grip
                      on the rod bolt. Got the torch out and heated the rod around the bolt up.
                      Took several tries as the screw driver kept slipping. Finally got one loose
                      and moved on to the 2nd and 3rd with no luck.
                      Decided the pistons “had to go”…… got tired of them flopping around and
                      afraid of breaking them. Spent the next hour making a wood piston anvil.
                      Not having a 2-3/4” hole saw, radial arm saw, hammer and chisel had to suffice.
                      Not being sure in which direction to knock the wrist pins out, I taped on the
                      solid ends, and they came out with relative ease.
                      Life was much easier with the piston removed.
                      I got the smart idea to remove the one loosed connecting rod bolt and
                      checked the fit in my screw driver. The screw driver was only going down
                      in the slot about half way….. no wonder it was slipping. Some custom
                      fitting of the screw driver on the belt sander soon fixed that.
                      I still needed to use the torch on each rod bolt, but they are all loose now.
                      Decided to take a break and let things “cool off” before I tackled removing
                      the rods, and all those loose roller bearings. Bet they’re going to be fun
                      getting back together.

                      I mentioned in a prior post that my connecting rod oil holes were pointing
                      down, not “up” as Frank suggested. Wasn’t quite true. Only one
                      was pointing down, the other “up”. Turns out both rods are
                      the same part number, with an offset piston pin boss and with the
                      oil hole for the wrist pin drilled the same.
                      Funny thing is, I believe the parts list only shows one part number
                      for the connecting rod. Can anyone verify that? My list is very
                      hard to read.

                      Garry, I have not researched the availability of piston rings yet, but pretty
                      sure I measured the pistons at 2-3/4″, not 2-1/2″, when I made the
                      wood anvil.

                      More later!

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                      #189203
                      garry-in-michigan
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                        Sorry about my faulty memory – Of course you are right – they are 2-¾” rings. I don’t like to use heat on those. Too much will mess up the heat treating and shorten the life of the bearing. I find a hand held hammer driven impact driver get the job done without the use of heat.

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                        Get a foot of this hexagonal rod and grind one end to fit the screw – then use the impact driver . . .

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