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September 8, 2024 at 6:13 am #290627
Could someone please let me know the measurement of the fuel level (down from the top of the bowl)……….I am installing a replacement float valve in the above motor, as the original is badly pitted and I am modifying a new spare one from another Tillotson carb.
Thanks in advance
Monte NZ
September 8, 2024 at 11:36 am #290629If there is a desired float level spec. I don’t know of it. There should be a notch on the lower part of the float pin (needle) where a clip goes. This positions the float on the float float pin. Another clip goes on the top of the float to hold it in position. If your top clip is the friction type they work pretty well. The ones with a screw can be troublesome. Recently, having an issue away from home, I wrapped some wire around a smaller dia. allen (hex) wrench and slid it over the float pin. This worked well and is staying. As the cork is a natural product, its density can vary so two cork floats of the same dimension may produce a different fuel level in the bowl. Also trying to get an accurate measurement with the float bowl cover off could be a challenge. You’re more likely to have an issue with the float pin not seating, causing the carb. to run over. This is the result of corrosion, mostly in the seat. Putting some toothpaste on the needle, and spinning it in the seat, being careful to keep the needle straight up in the float bowl, can help achieve a better seal. Some pictures attached as to how I test how successful my attempts have been when a motor has this style of float system. If I can keep the carb from running over for 5 minutes, that good enough to put the carb on the motor, remembering to shut the petcock after running the motor. Its been my experience that the best seal is achieved from the vibration of the motor after running them for an extend period. At some point I’ll forget to shut the fuel off and that’s when I find out if a good seal has been achieved, however the fuel shut off is easily accessible on these early motors for a reason.
September 9, 2024 at 5:31 am #290650Thanks very much Tubs for your very informative reply. The reason I asked is that I had read in an old Evinrude Workshop Manual that there was mention of the level of the fuel in the bow in a particular motor being 5/8th of an inch shown as the level from the top of the bowl, which made me wonder if there was a specification for my motor.
The replacement valve is new and the grooves on the shaft are for another carburetor, so I have measured the position of the locating groove on the old stem and machined matching grooves on the replacement. The float is in good condition fortunately and does have a brass screw locking the clip similar to the setup in your second photo. I have also seated the needle with tool paste as suggested. Fortunately the replacement needle is a bit longer than the original, so it made it easier to spin the needle with the bowl top on.
Your idea of checking the valve sealing is excellent, so I will try the same setup.
Thanks once again for your help…..your photos again are excellent!
Monte NZ
September 11, 2024 at 8:01 am #290715I’m going to display my level of ignorance and make a guess as to the answer…….Isn’t the fuel level in the float bowl supposed to be close to the top of the nozzle/emulsion tube in the throat of the carb such that fuel can be pulled out on the intake stroke? If it weren’t then you probably couldn’t get the motor to start. Once it is running, the constant suction continues to pull fuel until the float bowl is depleted.
That being said, the level is somewhat critical. There are some carbs with the pump primer where the float bowl feeds the primer chamber, and I’ve experienced issues where the fuel bowl level has to be high enough for fuel to enter that passageway elsewise you can pump all day w/out starting. My SportFour is an example as it does not have a choke, –only a primer.
Am I correct?
George
September 12, 2024 at 10:51 pm #290758The float level can be really critical in one style of carburetor while not so much in another. An example would be the Speedsters and Quads. When running them wide open, as the level in the fuel tank drops, so does the float pin, until it almost disappears. Yet they keep on going till the tank is empty. This carburetor that Monte is asking about is difficult to check the fuel level accurately, and doesn’t have any mechanism to adjust the fuel level. Also the floats often very the size and density. I have some experience running these, and while getting a good seal at the needle and seat can be a challenge I’ve never had and instance where I needed to adjust the height of the float. All that together would indicate to me that the fuel level in this carburetor isn’t critical. Others may see it differently. While this little carburetor doesn’t look to be much I find it to be a marvel of engineering. I have a winter project with the same power head and carburetor. I took it off to make this short video to demonstrate how the choke function works. Notice how passage is reshaped and becomes smaller, increasing the air speed. At the same time the air is directed over the top of the nozzle pulling up the fuel to prime the motor. This carburetor was first used in 1922. I think this was way ahead of its time and one of the reasons these motors were, and are, so reliable. Video link— https://youtu.be/Ev-MzjEfDSE Tubs
September 16, 2024 at 5:44 am #290820Thanks George for your input and thanks again Tubs for yours too
At this stage I have tried your suggestion Tubs as per your first photo and found that the valve leaked, so I will seat it with tooth paste as suggested and test again.
The other question I have, is that is the screen in the bottom of the bowl doesn’t sit in the recess under the bowl……it is out of round and oversize. I presume I will have to trim it to fit? The way it is at the moment, the sealing washer wont sit properly
Thanks once again for your much appreciated help.
Monte NZ
September 16, 2024 at 1:28 pm #290830If the screen is interfering with the sealing washer it would need to be cut down. I can rarely get a 100% seal with the tooth paste but if I can get to the point that it takes over 5 minuets for the fuel to run over, the vibration from extensive running will usually improve on that. The easy access to a fuel shut off on the tank, with type of needle and seat, indicates you can’t count on these things not to run over. I’ve had motors where I forgot to shut off the fuel and they went all night without running over. Others- I try to remember to shut off the fuel as soon as I stop the motor cause I cant trust them. Tubs
September 17, 2024 at 5:41 am #290846Thanks Tubs for the suggestion of using toothpaste on the valve and seat…..it worked well and
I’m very pleased to report that after 2 hrs there weren’t any leaks!
By the way, I carefully trimmed the filter screen so it presses in nicely into the recess with no leaks now in that area.
Thanks once again.
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