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    Paul Munson
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      Good to know. The one I have just came from Nebraska. It now resides at my place in Minnesota. From the looks of it this one had many lonely years in somebodies barn. The engine cost more in shipping than the $35 I had to give for it. Hopefully I can get it back in running condition to preserve it for another 90 years!

      #235902
      BROOK E. NEWCOMB
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        Paul,
        Sent you a pm.
        Feel free to share the pics here.

        Respectfully,

        #235907
        Paul Munson
        Participant

          Here are the pictures that were emailed to me from Brook. They helped clear up just exactly how this tiller arm worked for controlling the speed. My motor has the back bracket and gear, if that is what you call it, to move the timer. What is missing on mine is everything else going forward from the bracket on the back that the tiller arm attaches to including the tiller arm itself. Thanks for sending these Brook. Hopefully someone else in the same boat will see them and understand just how this was setup.

          #236004
          Paul Munson
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            Well, sadly this one might be over sooner than I expected. I was able to the entire motor disassembled down to the the crankcase and heads with the pistons stuck in place. While cleaning it out and filling the water jackets with solvent I noticed the solvent coming out of the exhaust port. After cleaning it off and blowing in the water jacket I found the air coming out the exhaust port as well which leads me to believe there is a crack or hole inside the head. I am letting the it set now in a solvent bath to see if the heads will come off eventually but it is looking more and more like this is going to end up a parts motor unfortunately. Pretty bummed about this one. I was really looking forward to seeing it run again. It appears that the original owner had a fuel problem with the lower carburetor, took it off and let it sit. Time got the best of this one.

            #236007
            BROOK E. NEWCOMB
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              US Member

              Sorry to hear that. Maybe,…. Maybe not. I guess I would tear everything down clean and see what else is needed.
              Maybe someone has some parts to help your project along. You can always set it aside for now.
              I would hate to see it become a parts motor.

              I don’t think there are to many of us that don’t have a motor or two sitting apart in a tote in search of
              That part or two to make the project a success.

              Don’t give up on it yet.

              Respectfully,

              #236013
              PM T2
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                Canada Member

                With no disrespect to anyone I am very familiar with this Quad.
                It was owned by two very close friends of mine.

                First was the late David Schell
                David put this tiller on this motor it was removed from a speeditwin.
                ( not correct for the 29 Quad )

                2nd was Bill Andrulitus who spend many many hours of machining
                time inside this Quad and many more dialing it in to run as well as it
                does today.
                It is now owned by another member in Canada.
                It’s amazing how well traveled these motors can be
                as they change ownership

                Truly a great Quad!

                Respectfully,

                No disrespect perceived at all.

                I am the current owner of this motor and am the operator in the video provided by Wayne.

                Brook is right about the tiller, with one exception – I think the one on the motor as of now was taken from a Senior Speedster, as the casting number on it matches the ones on my batch of Sr Speedsters.

                I did get some of the necessary pieces for re-installing the factory timer advance function, but probably will opt to leave the motor as-is, and manually advance the timing.

                On the day the video was recorded, I did have issues with fuel starvation and the motor did not make it back to the launch ramp. There was an obstruction in the fuel pipe going to the upper carburetor, and I also did not have the gas tank filled to capacity, which I’ve now learned is important WRT maintaining fuel flow to the upper carb. With that in mind, I’ll try and help things by adding a restrictor in the lower fuel pipe, since that carb fills up instantly when the fuel petcock is opened, but the upper carb takes much longer to receive enough fuel to lift the float needle.

                Sorry to learn that your motor is in such dire straits, and while I don’t feel that you have to turn it into a parts donor just yet, it is also recognized that it’s your call to make.

                Best,
                PM T2

                He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

                #236024
                Paul Munson
                Participant

                  Thanks for the encouragement guys. I thought about it more and I am going to take your advice and keep it in hopes to get it together again down the road. The motor can sit in solvent for as long as it takes since space isn’t a problem. I will proceed to clean up the other parts, bag them up and store them in tubs. I did find it encouraging that the lower unit was in good shape.

                  I still have that electric start Speedifour that you helped me figure out PM T2 sitting on a stand waiting for a better gears for the lower unit. I did get the new bearings, bushing and propshaft turned but those gears are a bugger to find.

                  Thanks,
                  Paul

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                  #236131
                  PM T2
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                    Canada Member

                    The lower unit on many models of Speedifour was also used on several other motors. Other Quads and even the Senior Speedster and some Speeditwins used that foot too, in case you weren’t already aware.

                    Best,
                    PM T2

                    He's livin' in his own private Idaho..... I hope to go out quietly in my sleep, like my grand-dad did..... and not screaming, like the passengers in his car...

                    #236132
                    Paul Munson
                    Participant

                      I have been looking into that. I found that the drive gear was more commonly used in some other year Speeditwins but the propshaft gear doesn’t match up. At least that is what I find in the parts diagrams I have looked at. Maybe this summer as things start to open up and people get out/clean out the shed it will show up. I am anxious to run it but I just have a feeling something bad could happen if I use those gears as worn as they are. Patience really is the key when it comes to some of these older ones that are missing parts or have broken parts. I packed up the Quad yesterday while the powerhead takes a bath hoping it frees up at a later date.

                      Thanks,
                      Paul

                      #236205
                      BROOK E. NEWCOMB
                      Participant

                        US Member

                        With no disrespect to anyone I am very familiar with this Quad.
                        It was owned by two very close friends of mine.

                        First was the late David Schell
                        David put this tiller on this motor it was removed from a speeditwin.
                        ( not correct for the 29 Quad )

                        2nd was Bill Andrulitus who spend many many hours of machining
                        time inside this Quad and many more dialing it in to run as well as it
                        does today.
                        It is now owned by another member in Canada.
                        It’s amazing how well traveled these motors can be
                        as they change ownership

                        Truly a great Quad!

                        Respectfully,

                        No disrespect perceived at all.

                        I am the current owner of this motor and am the operator in the video provided by Wayne.

                        Brook is right about the tiller, with one exception – I think the one on the motor as of now was taken from a Senior Speedster, as the casting number on it matches the ones on my batch of Sr Speedsters.

                        I did get some of the necessary pieces for re-installing the factory timer advance function, but probably will opt to leave the motor as-is, and manually advance the timing.

                        On the day the video was recorded, I did have issues with fuel starvation and the motor did not make it back to the launch ramp. There was an obstruction in the fuel pipe going to the upper carburetor, and I also did not have the gas tank filled to capacity, which I’ve now learned is important WRT maintaining fuel flow to the upper carb. With that in mind, I’ll try and help things by adding a restrictor in the lower fuel pipe, since that carb fills up instantly when the fuel petcock is opened, but the upper carb takes much longer to receive enough fuel to lift the float needle.

                        Sorry to learn that your motor is in such dire straits, and while I don’t feel that you have to turn it into a parts donor just yet, it is also recognized that it’s your call to make.

                        Best,
                        PM T2

                        ” Things went from bad to worse in 1931 and 1932. We began to wonder if the company
                        would survive. To meet payrolls, Evinrude – Elto began to hold factory sales over the
                        Weekends. Motors sold here were not current models but left-overs or motors made
                        out of overstocks of old spare parts.”

                        The Pictorial History Of Outboard Motors
                        By W.J. Webb

                        Respectfully,

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