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January 6, 2017 at 1:37 pm #6051
I have a Martin 75 Synco Twist that I want to get running better.
Last summer after going thru the carb and ignition, it ran pretty
good at medium to high speeds, but didn’t idle as well as a Martin
should, and had a low speed miss at times.I’m going back thru the ignition, and want to replace crank seals.
I know I can get seal "sets" from Larson Outboard, but just wanted
to see if anyone had replacement seal numbers in their notes
for this model? Not sure "how much" I want to sink into this
outboard yet. It’s 27 below this morning, so I might have to
spend my money on fuel oil. 😮Also, I’ll take a look at the intake poppet valves. I’ve never worked
on those before, so that will be something "fun" to look at.
Can those poppet valves be lapped?
ThanksPrepare to be boarded!
January 6, 2017 at 4:13 pm #5044827 below?????
Below what??? lolhttp://www.richardsoutboardtools.com
classicomctools@gmail.comJanuary 6, 2017 at 5:09 pm #5045427 Brrrrlow Zero…….Worse than that……… it’s 100 degrees colder than I’d like!
Prepare to be boarded!
January 6, 2017 at 5:16 pm #50456I picked up 75 Twist Shift a few months ago.
I don’t know anything about them. Stumbled
onto this searching for info. Don’t know how
much of your model applies to my motor. Here
is a link if you haven’t found it already and
would still have a need for it.
http://joeoutboard.com/resources/Manuals/Martin/Martin75_ManualAndPartsList.pdf
I don’t see any poppet valves in the carb break down.A "Boat House Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.
January 6, 2017 at 5:56 pm #50461Tubs, they are #56 in the powerhead breakdown. They are in the front half of the crankcase, I believe they were actuated by an eccentric on the crankshaft.
If you have too many, AND not enough, you're a collector.
January 6, 2017 at 6:02 pm #50463I see them now. Thanks. Don’t know when I’ll get
around to this motor but I’m looking forward to it.
Like learning about new (to me) stuff.A "Boat House Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.
January 6, 2017 at 7:37 pm #50477Those poppet valves have o_rings that go bad. You may find that replacing them will help improve performance.
January 6, 2017 at 7:57 pm #50478Tubs, I also have the Martin 75 "twist shift" which is a great running little motor.
Found out that it takes 40 Wt non-detergent motor oil in the lower unit.I have all the Martin manual downloads from the JoeOutboard site, and have
printed off the pertinent pages to work on the Synco Twist, which I hope
runs equally well as it’s twist shift cousin when I’m done!Tore some of the engine apart today to remove the upper and lower seals.
Learned that my poppet valves are not "lap-able" as they have o-rings on
them to do the sealing.
Anyone know if a standard o-ring works on those?I haven’t searched for individual crank seals yet, but this is what I learned,
in case it helps someone in the future.Top crank seal is marked "Garlock, part 175"
It’s OD is 1.250
Shaft size is .812
Thickness is .314Bottom crank seal
OD 1.000
Shaft size .750
Thickness .131The o-ring that goes in the lower bearing cap (along with the above seal)
appears to be the size of a R-12 in my o-ring kit.
This o-ring seals the driveshaft tube, keeping water out of the
lower crank seal.My upper rod crankshaft journal is slightly / lightly scored.
Should I pull the crank and polish it some?
If so, what grit paper?
I don’t want to buy a new crank for this motor, so it either
gets polished, or left alone and hope for the best.
Too many outboards in the herd, so none get run that much anyway, lol.
Not sure if the rod bearing surfaces can be "refitted".
It has a tiny little aluminum rod cap….. can’t see how it "holds up".Prepare to be boarded!
January 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm #50482I got my poppet valve o rings from Russ Larson, and they are very inexpensive. Get them from him so you get the right ones, that’s my opinion. When the o rings go bad, the motor won’t idle and can be hard to start. Also, be sure to put the valve back into the same position as it came out of, so don’t mix them up. After I replaced these in my 45, it purred like a kitten. That, along with freeing up some stuck rings.
One other word of advice on the poppet o rings, they will be hard as a rock from age. I carefully cut mine free with a razor blade. Avoid the temptation to pry them off, as you will damage the valve.January 6, 2017 at 9:36 pm #50483While were on the subject of poppet valves, I was reading about the 35 hp Oliver Olympus outboard in the Old Outboard Book the other day. It seems after George Martin parted ways with the National Pressure Cooker Co. and left Martin, Oliver incorporated his Poppet design idea into the 35 hp. Oliver Olympus… interesting!
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