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  • #6051
    Buccaneer
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      I have a Martin 75 Synco Twist that I want to get running better.
      Last summer after going thru the carb and ignition, it ran pretty
      good at medium to high speeds, but didn’t idle as well as a Martin
      should, and had a low speed miss at times.

      I’m going back thru the ignition, and want to replace crank seals.
      I know I can get seal "sets" from Larson Outboard, but just wanted
      to see if anyone had replacement seal numbers in their notes
      for this model? Not sure "how much" I want to sink into this
      outboard yet. It’s 27 below this morning, so I might have to
      spend my money on fuel oil. 😮

      Also, I’ll take a look at the intake poppet valves. I’ve never worked
      on those before, so that will be something "fun" to look at.
      Can those poppet valves be lapped?
      Thanks

      Prepare to be boarded!

      #50448
      RICHARD A. WHITE
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        27 below?????
        Below what??? lol

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        classicomctools@gmail.com

        #50454
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          27 Brrrrlow Zero…….Worse than that……… it’s 100 degrees colder than I’d like!

          Prepare to be boarded!

          #50456
          Tubs
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            I picked up 75 Twist Shift a few months ago.
            I don’t know anything about them. Stumbled
            onto this searching for info. Don’t know how
            much of your model applies to my motor. Here
            is a link if you haven’t found it already and
            would still have a need for it.
            http://joeoutboard.com/resources/Manuals/Martin/Martin75_ManualAndPartsList.pdf
            I don’t see any poppet valves in the carb break down.

            A "Boat House Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

            #50461
            kerry
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              Tubs, they are #56 in the powerhead breakdown. They are in the front half of the crankcase, I believe they were actuated by an eccentric on the crankshaft.

              If you have too many, AND not enough, you're a collector.

              #50463
              Tubs
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                I see them now. Thanks. Don’t know when I’ll get
                around to this motor but I’m looking forward to it.
                Like learning about new (to me) stuff.

                A "Boat House Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.

                #50477
                jcrigan
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                  Those poppet valves have o_rings that go bad. You may find that replacing them will help improve performance.

                  #50478
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                    Tubs, I also have the Martin 75 "twist shift" which is a great running little motor.
                    Found out that it takes 40 Wt non-detergent motor oil in the lower unit.

                    I have all the Martin manual downloads from the JoeOutboard site, and have
                    printed off the pertinent pages to work on the Synco Twist, which I hope
                    runs equally well as it’s twist shift cousin when I’m done!

                    Tore some of the engine apart today to remove the upper and lower seals.
                    Learned that my poppet valves are not "lap-able" as they have o-rings on
                    them to do the sealing.
                    Anyone know if a standard o-ring works on those?

                    I haven’t searched for individual crank seals yet, but this is what I learned,
                    in case it helps someone in the future.

                    Top crank seal is marked "Garlock, part 175"
                    It’s OD is 1.250
                    Shaft size is .812
                    Thickness is .314

                    Bottom crank seal
                    OD 1.000
                    Shaft size .750
                    Thickness .131

                    The o-ring that goes in the lower bearing cap (along with the above seal)
                    appears to be the size of a R-12 in my o-ring kit.
                    This o-ring seals the driveshaft tube, keeping water out of the
                    lower crank seal.

                    My upper rod crankshaft journal is slightly / lightly scored.
                    Should I pull the crank and polish it some?
                    If so, what grit paper?
                    I don’t want to buy a new crank for this motor, so it either
                    gets polished, or left alone and hope for the best.
                    Too many outboards in the herd, so none get run that much anyway, lol.
                    Not sure if the rod bearing surfaces can be "refitted".
                    It has a tiny little aluminum rod cap….. can’t see how it "holds up".

                    Prepare to be boarded!

                    #50482
                    jerry-ahrens
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                      I got my poppet valve o rings from Russ Larson, and they are very inexpensive. Get them from him so you get the right ones, that’s my opinion. When the o rings go bad, the motor won’t idle and can be hard to start. Also, be sure to put the valve back into the same position as it came out of, so don’t mix them up. After I replaced these in my 45, it purred like a kitten. That, along with freeing up some stuck rings.
                      One other word of advice on the poppet o rings, they will be hard as a rock from age. I carefully cut mine free with a razor blade. Avoid the temptation to pry them off, as you will damage the valve.

                      #50483
                      jerry-ahrens
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                        While were on the subject of poppet valves, I was reading about the 35 hp Oliver Olympus outboard in the Old Outboard Book the other day. It seems after George Martin parted ways with the National Pressure Cooker Co. and left Martin, Oliver incorporated his Poppet design idea into the 35 hp. Oliver Olympus… interesting!
                        This rig belongs to Dan Soderstrom, the Oliver guy .


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