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    opposedtwin

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    #194629

    I got this parts (?) motor at an auction recently. I was told it was a K1 (Mercury) but the pictures on oldmercs shows a similar motor with a very different tank. I guess it is a possibility that it’s a K1 as it looks like the other 2 pictures of what I believe IS a mercury K1.

    By the way, I can find no numbers on the parts motor. Was thinking it could be a sea king but didn’t those have the 2 sided gear case with lots of nuts/bolts holding it together? This one has a different case, a mercury type case.

    Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!
    Scott

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    #194691

    Scott,

    Your motor looks to be a
    1940 Sea King
    Model 04-K1-8820
    Per the book “Iron Fist”
    It’s the first motor designed
    And manufactured by
    Kiekhaefer Corporation
    But not the first Mercury
    Motor produced ie “K1”
    Clean upper transom clamp
    Area right side upper for
    Serial number!

    Ps: send me a pm as I
    May have flywheel to
    Make whole again?

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    green-thumbs

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    #194693

    It would take a little more evidence to state what it is or is not.
    1940 Kiekhaefer Mercury K1 single had ID stamped into rope plate
    1940 Kiekhaefer Wizard WB2 single also had ID stamped into rope plate
    1940 Kiekhaefer Sea King single had ID stamped into port side of clamp
    bracket.
    1941 models had ID tag attached to tower/exhaust housing with rivets.

    1940 Kiekhaefer, water pump housing had 16 square intake holes
    1940 cylinder and water jackets are different from 1941 versions

    Most if not all 1940 Kiekhaefers have the streamlined aluminum tower
    exhaust housing.

    1940 models have cylinder and water jacket held to crankcase by nuts and bolts 1941 models use bolts screwed into threaded holes in crankcase

    Making absolute statements about Kiekhaefer made outboards is not
    possible as Kiekhaefer at times used old stock to make new outboards
    and also used carryover parts from a prior year to make initial run
    of next years production. You have to judge what you see by asking
    is it consistent (not altered with non original substitutions) is it the way
    Kiekhaeger did things. Sometimes the answer has to await experience
    and the opportunity to study other examples in close detail.

    Steel gas tanks rust, so there are more old motors than tanks. I have
    a K2 with that problem.

    I have found that good clear digital photos need lots of extra light, steady camera and plain background. Even so, some photos turn
    out better than others so take several. What you see is not exactly
    what the camera sees…reflected light and different angle of view
    have to be allowed for. If the background is to cluttered, viewing the
    photo can be like finding a needle in a hay stack.

    Louis

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    #194697

    1940-8820

    11133255

    1940 Mercury K1

    From Bob Grubbs excellent site!!!!! (Thanks Bob)

    http://www.mercguy.com/virtual_outboard_museum.htm

    mercury_k-1_motor

    K-1_serial

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    #194719

    I would say Carl “Elmer” Kiekhaefer was quite proud of his first outboard!

    K1-Carl

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    opposedtwin

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    #194737

    Thanks for the replies Louis and Bob! Great pics!! My motor appears to have the tab on the port side. #2403. So it must be a sea king. Rats!

    Is #1006 in the pic a K1? Can you post any more pics of that one?

    Bob, I will try to send you a pm. If either of you have a lead on a rope sheave (whether it be sea king or mercury) I’d be interested!

    Scott

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    #194748

    Serial number 1006
    Number 5 or 6 off line.

    My second motor is serial # 4806
    Weird? Yes

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    kirkp

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    #194774

    Scott, you sound disappointed that it’s a Sea King. It’s identical to the Merc K1.

    Restored
    1940SeaKing_zpsfb415450

    As found
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    #194778

    This some of the best 1940 Mercury, Sea King & Wizard info I have seen. I have a Sea King K1 and Wizard WA6 . Can’t find a 1940 Mercury

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    opposedtwin

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    #194780

    Kirk, I am a little bit disappointed that it’s not badged a mercury. Seems like there are many of the sea kings out there but only a small handful of mercurys. No worries. I’m grateful to have it and I’ll find a sea king fly wheel and sheave and go with it. Will obviously have to build the magneto for it but the parts are out there.

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    opposedtwin

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    #194782

    Bob, thanks for posting that link to the other discussion from late last year. I looked up those articles Tom Thuerwachter wrote and they were pretty helpful. Lots of good info between that thread and his articles!

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    kirkp

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    #194834

    Hey Scott. I know what you mean, I was just yanking your chain a bit. It is interesting that the Sea Kings do seem to outnumber the Mercs. Not sure why that would be.

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    dave-bernard

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    #194836

    3 P’s

    PRICE
    PRICE
    PRICE
    back then

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    kirkp

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    #194838

    Good point Dave. Per the literature that fifty posted, the Sea King was $38 but gave the performance of a $50 motor. Wonder if that’s what the Merc went for?

    The popularity of the early Sea King may be what inspired Carl to detune the chain store brands.

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    green-thumbs

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    #194839

    At a swap meet some years back when I was new to the hobbby, I spotted an outboard under the tailgate that looked Kiekhaefer and
    bought it for a modest sum. It turned out to be a 1940 Sea King single
    with a few problems. Resolving those problems gave me an education
    in prewar Kiekhaefers.
    At a Suter meet several years later a member exhibited restored examples of 1940 Sea King, Wizared WA2 and Mercury K1…the three
    entry level models. Attending club meets can provide both information
    and inspiration.
    Good Luck with your new find
    Louis

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