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  • Buccaneer
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    #173103

    Now that the little Neptune (1.7 hp) is running, it’s time to ponder upon it’s big brother, the opposed
    twin 6 hp, once again. My attempts to convert the magneto to a Briggs and Stratton
    coil failed miserably, so I bought a John Deere pony motor coil for “plan B”.
    I would have to butcher the mag plate to even try this coil, and also whittle the lamination
    down even more to fit the JD coil. If I had a spare mag plate I’d wouldn’t mind butchering one.
    I’m thinking about plan “C”, just to see if this motor would run and be worthy of a new
    $150 Maytag coil. 🙁
    Plan “C” would be some form of battery ignition.
    I have a little 6 v battery for the Wisconsin outboard.
    Would the Briggs and Stratton coil survive a 6 volt input to the primary?
    Curious, how much voltage does the Stevens tester put out to the primary when testing a coil?
    Thought about an automotive type coil, but that’s problematic being the Neptune is
    a twin cylinder.
    Thoughts on a workable battery ignition welcomed, so I can test run this outboard in my lifetime!
    Thanks.

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    #173131

    I’ve been following this thread and would also like to know if my twin (11B4) would run on a 6v buzz box. And 0.22 mfd condenser?

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    #173141

    Evinrude’s battery ignition racing motors ran on a 6 or 7- 1/2 volt Hot Shot battery. Of course you do have to remember to shut off the power when the motor isn’t running. If the points happen to be closed when at rest, it will run down the battery and overheat the coil. This is no problem with the Elto as the points only momentarily snap shut when the motor is running. Steve Woods runs his Elto’s on a length of PVC pipe with 4 “D” cells in it – it puts out 6 volts and goes many hours of running time over a week end. ., .

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    #173156

    Could you use a complete mag from a 4 hp? Given of course that the mag would be good…and that the flywheel would work…

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    #173159

    Evinrude’s battery ignition racing motors ran on a 6 or 7- 1/2 volt Hot Shot battery. Of course you do have to remember to shut off the power when the motor isn’t running. If the points happen to be closed when at rest, it will run down the battery and overheat the coil. This is no problem with the Elto as the points only momentarily snap shut when the motor is running. Steve Woods runs his Elto’s on a length of PVC pipe with 4 “D” cells in it – it puts out 6 volts and goes many hours of running time over a week end. ., .

    Garry, thanks for the input. I’m not sure how Evinrude racing coils stack up against B&S lawnmower coils, and the points being closed on the Neptune
    for most of the crankshaft rotation, vs. the Evinrude’s points only closing to “fire”. Guess I wouldn’t be out much trying at this point.

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    #173165

    Could you use a complete mag from a 4 hp? Given of course that the mag would be good…and that the flywheel would work…

    Richard, Excellent idea on the 4 hp mag plates.
    I have two, and it looks like they have the same (troublesome)
    coils. Not sure if the whole mag plate is interchangeable, and if so,
    what flywheel would fit. I’d have to tear apart a running motor
    to find out, and hopefully it would still be a running motor when
    the experiment is over. 🙂

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    #173166

    I’ve been following this thread and would also like to know if my twin (11B4) would run on a 6v buzz box. And 0.22 mfd condenser?

    I think a buzz box would be problematic if the original points were used,
    as those systems are designed for the contactor or points to only
    close when firing. I suppose a contactor could be fabricated though,
    instead of using the original points.

    If the B&S small engine coil would not withstand the 6v battery,
    I suppose one could try an automotive type coil, mounted on the power head,
    using the original points under the flywheel, but I’d have to
    “Y” out of the coil secondary to have a spark plug wire to go to
    each cylinder. Would that work?

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    #173170

    The flywheel would be the issue if the crank shaft tapers are different, the mag plate should not be an issue..

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    #173186

    On the idea of “battery ignition”, I found these two coils that would omit splicing a “Y”
    in the spark plug wires on an automotive type coil.
    One is for an Onan Opposed twin, the other 2005 era GM coil packs,
    which one fellow adapted to his twin opposed lawn tractor.
    I wonder how long running these coils before the battery ran out of “juice”?

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    #173197

    After shoveling, snowblowing, and plowing 10″ of wet heavy snow this morning,
    I told myself I was going to stay inside the rest of the day (or month), but
    boredom and curiosity got to me, so I went out to the garage to look
    at the 4 hp OB35A 4 hp Magneto. Compared magneto diameters between
    the 4 hp and 6 hp OB64A that needs a coil, and they were the same OD.
    Off to a good start, so I tried exchanging flywheel nuts. 6 hp nut was too loose
    on the 4 hp crank….. and of course, the 4 hp nut would not go on the 6 hp.
    Figured this was going to be a “deal breaker”, and it would have different crankshaft
    taper and or diameter, but not much to loose at this point, so I pulled the flywheel on the
    4 hp and slid it on the 6 hp crankshaft…. it fits!
    Then removed the mag plate off the 4hp and it fit right on the 6 hp crankcase boss,
    no problem. Both mag plates are stamped Model 72A. The 6 hp flywheel even appears
    that it will work with the 4 hp mag underneath.
    The 4 hp Eisemann coil looked good (but I’ve never had this 4 hp running or worked on it yet)
    so I checked it with the Ohm meter. Reading 7.6 K across the secondaries, and .2 K on the
    primary, so I think it’s worth a “go”, but it needs new plug wires for sure.
    If it does work, I’ll be minus a coil on the 4 hp for when the time comes, so I may still be
    experimenting with battery ignition.

    P.S.- regarding the flywheel nuts, the small one is 7/16″ NF, and the the other,
    between 7/16″ and 1/2″ NF. Is there such a bolt as a 15/32″ NF or something?

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    #173200

    The Waterwitch twin and the Lauson twin both used that same coil. Or you could use a coil from an older 4 cylinder motorcycle with a 6 volt battery.

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    #173209

    The Waterwitch twin and the Lauson twin both used that same coil. Or you could use a coil from an older 4 cylinder motorcycle with a 6 volt battery.

    Thanks, good to know about the Lauson coils. I have two, one for parts, so there’s a chance I cold rob
    a coil from one!

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    #173212

    The Lausons are notorious for melting coils. Air cooled motor run too slow for too long a period is supposed to be the culprit. I know for a fact that the John Deere pony coil retro into the Lauson Eisemann 72 mag will work. Member here in Great Lakes has done it successfully.

    Joe B

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    #173216

    The Lausons are notorious for melting coils. Air cooled motor run too slow for too long a period is supposed to be the culprit. I know for a fact that the John Deere pony coil retro into the Lauson Eisemann 72 mag will work. Member here in Great Lakes has done it successfully.

    Joe B

    Joe, good to know the pony coil I bought will fit in the 6 hp Lauson. I’d have to butcher
    the mag plate to get it to fit the Neptunes.

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    #173219


    For your battery ignition you can use
    a 6 Volt Harley coil. I used one as a
    replacement for the Super Elto coil
    in my early experiments for a possible
    replacement for them.

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