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February 24, 2021 at 8:38 pm #232123
Guys I have been having a water pump problem on my 1957 18hp erude. It pumps water great at speed but at idle it sometimes quits. I have had it apart twice now changed the impeller twice and the grommets looked good. I was checking the water pump housing for wear and that looked good. I pulled the grommet for the water tube out and I noticed a mark on the side of the grommet. A small drilling was blocked by the grommet. Maybe there is a shorter grommet? I don’t know. Do you guys think this drilling in the housing being blocked could be my problem? Engineering put the hole there for something! Maybe the pumps need water on the top to make it work? Anybody have experience with a problem like this. Pictures coming!
dale
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February 24, 2021 at 9:26 pm #232136That hole is drilled at an angle, connecting the water outlet to the well surrounding the drive shaft. The purpose is to keep the well filled with water, creating a water seal to prevent exhaust gasses from entering the pump via the drive shaft hole. The UPPER end of the angled hole will be blocked by the grommet, but the LOWER end of the hole should not be blocked. If blocked, it may cause erratic pumping.
February 24, 2021 at 9:30 pm #232137February 24, 2021 at 10:05 pm #232146February 25, 2021 at 5:44 am #232154I have had a few cases where I had deemed the pump housing good enough, as the engine was pumping okay before service…..but then would not pump well at idle with a NEW impeller. The trouble is, the old housings and impellers wear together and fit like a glove, in some respects. A new impeller doesn’t fit into the old wear pattern as well. Changing the housings to new ones solved my problems astonishingly well. I guess this was me, peeing on the electric fence, right? By the way, what is going on with the bottom of your grommet? It looks torn up somehow, in the picture.
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February 25, 2021 at 6:20 am #232157I have had a few cases where I had deemed the pump housing good enough, as the engine was pumping okay before service…..but then would not pump well at idle with a NEW impeller. The trouble is, the old housings and impellers wear together and fit like a glove, in some respects. A new impeller doesn’t fit into the old wear pattern as well. Changing the housings to new ones solved my problems astonishingly well. I guess this was me, peeing on the electric fence, right? By the way, what is going on with the bottom of your grommet? It looks torn up somehow, in the picture.
Some people gotta learn the hard way! me too! I cut the bottom of the grommet so it won’t plug off the small drilling in the housing. I think that will fix my problem. Wonder how many other motors around are messed up? Those pump housings are getting harder to find lately.
dale
February 25, 2021 at 7:34 am #232161the new pump housings on Amazon don’t have those holes ??? Mumbles… did you ever install the cheap ones ($25) you picked up before all of us 🙂
is it because “the well filled with water, creating a water seal to prevent exhaust gasses” is not molded / needed like the original pumps ?
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- This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by crosbyman.
February 25, 2021 at 8:13 am #232163OK, so these hsgs have “two” bleed holes (not including the end of the hole covered by the grommet)? Funny, how the grommet in your picture looks kind of long, but I’m thinking it is just the camera angle.
Nonetheless, I agree with Bill’s comments. Wear in the aluminum impeller housings is often over looked. I remember servicing 6hps in out test tank. The engines would pump fine in forward gear, but kind of fade away if in neutral or run in reverse for a few minutes. This scenario kind of makes sense because the movement of water in forward gear produced some added pressure which helped the pump work even with worn hsg/impeller plate.
Has anyone actually ordered one of those Amazon pump kits pictured here? Wondering if it is actually an OMC/BRP part, or chinese knock off…The color of the gasket makes me think it is not OEM.
Let us know how you make out with this water pump situation…February 25, 2021 at 8:38 am #232164I got one but not at $25 like Mumbles did …. the price shot up after they woke up on the pricing error !!
mine was 70$ CDN free delivery….. and the $48 ones are cheaper but when delivery is added on they end up $70
I have not installed it yet … I am certain they are chineese copies at least the gasket should hold up ( orange carb gaskets apparently melt and ooze…. 🙁
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February 25, 2021 at 10:04 am #232167Crosby, are you sure there are no bleed holes in the new housing? I don’t have one to look at, but I do have this OEM one which I think is for a 35hp. They went out of their way to deal with the shaft hole. First, they added a seal, then they also added a slot between the outlet tube and the area between the the plastic housing and the stainless cup.
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