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April 16, 2022 at 5:43 pm #258392
Regarding the 1937 Johnson model 210, opposed twin, 3.3 hp, or
any similar designed engine, whether is has a water pump or is
prop thrust / siphon fed to the cylinders as mine is, (can’t think of the proper term),
doesn’t the incoming water always go into the bottom of the cylinders,
and exit out the top, so the water jackets are sure to stay full of water?I’m putting the motor back together, cleaning up the water lines, etc., and found
one line with an old solder repair where it “Y’s” off to the cylinders, was loose.
After taking the line apart and cleaning it, I went to put it on the motor temporarily
to mark it for soldering, and the only way the lines don’t “cross”, or even hook up,
is if the water supply line goes into the top of the cylinders.
Can this be correct for this motor?The water feed from the “scoop” aft of the prop comes up the starboard side of the motor.
I confirmed that when the gear case was off, and again today by blowing air into the holes
where the water lines go into the gear case.
I also looked at “before” photos,( before I took the motor apart), and the lines are not crossed,
and the supply would have to be on the starboard side.
Signed, perplexed. Thanks for your thoughts.Trying to feed into the bottom of the cylinders, the top line won’t hook up.
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April 16, 2022 at 6:18 pm #258397Every motor I have encountered the water goes in the bottom and out the top. Could your lines be bent wrong or switched right to left.
Joe B
April 16, 2022 at 6:33 pm #258398Joe, I’ll have to look again tomorrow, and hope the new day (and Easter)
brings clarity. I just found this Johnson 200 (same motor, but earlier?)
and indeed, the water is going into the bottom side of the cylinders.
I thought I tried arranging the lines every way possible, but maybe not!Prepare to be boarded!
April 16, 2022 at 7:57 pm #258403could the bottom line run behind the top line ??????????
April 16, 2022 at 9:36 pm #258405Dave, as I said, I “thought” I tried every which way, but will try again tomorrow.
After looking at the photo of the Johnson 200, I’m convinced that a previous owner
hooked the lines up incorrectly, feeding into the top of the cylinder instead of the bottom.
Perhaps he bent the lines out of whack. In the 200 photo, the bottom line (into the cylinders)
is aft of the upper line.
I wonder if the one line was cut off during the repair and now to short to be hooked
up properly?Happy Easter!
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April 16, 2022 at 10:47 pm #258406I think with these push/pull, pressure/vacuum systems, the water would have to enter the cylinders at the bottom to purge all of the air out for it to work properly.
April 16, 2022 at 11:54 pm #258407Maybe I’m looking at this too simply but – in the “before” picture, the line connecting to the top of the cylinders follows the starboard side of the driveshaft tube all the way up to the powerhead. In your “top line won’t hook up” picture, that line is now routing up along the port side of the driveshaft tube. Maybe you just have the two lines crossed (top line routed incorrectly – should be to the right of the cylinder bottom line)? But if the starboard side line is the incoming water supply line, then water would be going into the top of the cylinders which doesn’t seem right.
Bob
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Bob Wight.
April 17, 2022 at 8:44 am #258416
This is my 1933 Johnson OA-65. Cooling water enters
the bottom of the cyl. and exits at the top on this motor.
Having the water exit at the top of the cyl. increases
the siphoning effect .
TubsA "Boathouse Repair" is one that done without having tools or the skills to do it properly.
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Tubs.
April 17, 2022 at 9:07 am #258420The garage is heating up, so will have another look-see soon.
Starboard orifice at gear case is the supply from the scoop for sure.
Looks like we all agree that the water should go into the bottom
of the cylinders, out the top. Mine has to have been plumbed wrong….
hopefully not from the factory.
Will let you know if I resolve this! Thanks.Prepare to be boarded!
April 17, 2022 at 10:30 pm #258434The water lines on the Johnson 210 are now hooked up correctly,
with the supply going into the bottom of the cylinders.
I wonder how long the P.O. ran the motor with the lines plumbed
incorrectly, and how well it cooled the motor?
I didn’t notice any internal damage from over-heating, so
hopefully no harm was done.I had to re-clock one of the water line’s elbow fittings a cylinder
to regain correct alignment, along with tweaking the lines into
submission so the clamp would fit.
I re-soldered the bad joint at one “Y” with the lines all screwed in place,
not to chance a bad fit by soldering the line on the bench.
The water lines, where they insert into the gear foot, have no grommet,
no room for said grommet, etc., so I may try to work some kind of sealant
around them, as the lines are not that tight of a fit in the gear foot.
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